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  25 years have passed since UR Lovedd one has passed....ARE U ANGRY???

  by itscrap&theyknowit! in

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  just an honest question?

  what are your thoughts?

  you know, "the new order is right around the corner.

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  ambersun

  I can still picture myself standing next to my lovely dad at the KH singing "Keep your Eyes on the Prize" back in the pre-1975 days when we were being warned on a weekly basis how very, very close the end was and the urgency to go out and preach, preach, preach because within a matter of months if not sooner, armageddon would have happened. Back in the 1960s it was almost a frenzy in our congregation, people giving up jobs and houses in order to pioneer. Our minds, hearts and very souls were conditioned by the WTS into believing we would all be living forever in the New System very, very soon.

  I lost my dad to cancer about 20 years later. No sign of armageddon then and still no sign today as we have had to say goodbye to many more loved ones. I watch my elderly mother become more and more frail and still struggling to go out knocking doors and attending all the meetings she can possibly get to, even though the effort causes her pain and makes her weaker.

  Oh yeah, sure, we will see all our departed loved ones in 2 years! Oh look there goes another flying pig!!

  Anger is not a strong enough word for the way I feel.
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  2 more teens leave the WBT$ slaveholdery! CELEBRATION TIME C'MON!

  by punkofnice in

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  sonofnice was happy to tell me that 2 of his jdub friends have told their parents: 'that's it, i quit!'.

  whereas i do feel sorry for the parents i also celebrate the freedom of these kids who have taken control of their lives and not committed themselves to 7 paedophile protectors in crooklyn.. .

  long may it continue!!

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  ambersun

  That is certainly good news

  One of the reasons we are so keen to maintain regular contact with our JW families is so we can be there for any of the young ones who will need help getting out. One or two of my nephews and nieces are already showing signs of being restless and unhappy.

  Fortunately, I am fairly confident none of the adult JWs in our family would actually throw any of their children out if they were df'd or da'd but we hope they know they can come to us any time for support should they need it.
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  I am officially sick of hearing the WBT$'s brand name for god = Jehovah!

  by punkofnice in

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  it's that simple.

  i'm sick up to here (guestures to above head), of hearing the dubs trot out their brand name for their imaginary sky friend who is so loving they're petrified he'll murder them soon!!!!!.

  the other week i heard a conversation between 2 dubs that ended with the cliche: 'jehovah will sort it out!

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  ambersun

  Re: I am officially sick of hearing the WBT$'s brand name for god = Jehovah!

  ME TOO!!!

  The average JW conversation consists of Jehovah this, Jehovah that blah blah yadda yadda Jehovah Jehovah. AAAHHHH!!!

  Me and hubby were at a family gathering recently and the topics of conversation had been refreshingly neutral until someone produced some photos of a recent vacation. Among the photos was one of a plaque with the tetragrammaton, taken from inside a well known cathedral. The usual smug comments ensued. "There it is, Jehovah for all to see. They can't say they don't know Jehovah's name when it is there in front of them"

  In case anyone is wondering, no we did not bother pointing out these were just four consonants with no vowels which almost certainly would not have been pronounced "Jehovah", as it is something that is totally inconceivable to them and there would have been absolutely no point other than to upset them which we did not want to do.
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  What Turns The Average "Worldly" Person Away From The Witnesses?

  by minimus in

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  is it their door-to-door incessant preaching?

  is it their view on blood?

  is it that the religion itself is simply often misunderstood?.

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  ambersun

  When I was a dub, I found the issues that bothered most worldly people were connected with children, i.e. how we could allow a child to die for want of a blood transfusion, and how cruel it was to prevent a child from celebrating birthdays and Christmas.

  I am amazed how many people I speak to have absolutely no idea about the fundamental beliefs of JWs. Despite being contacted by JWs many times over the years, they still think JWs believe the end of the world is coming and they are going to heaven. They have no idea about an earthly hope.

  Many of the issues that worldly people had when I was a dub, and still seem to have, were totally inaccurate things such as thinking JWs are not allowed to accept any form of medical treatment. Also, as already mentioned, that JWs don't believe in Jesus (due to not celebrating Christmas).

  So much for the world wide preaching work!
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  Does your product contain blood? 1960/70's twottery!!

  by punkofnice in

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  back in the 1960's early 70's i remember my congregation going on a witch hunt and making a list of products, ice creams, confectionary or anything that might contain blood!.

  i remember one zealous brother asking an ice cream vendor if the ice cream contained blood.

  the vendor just looked gone out!.

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  ambersun

  Ooh this thread brings back some memories which still makes me blush with shame!!

  I can remember at the age of 15 on a family vacation, reaching the front of a queue for ice cream and asking the obligatory question "excuse me, but can you assure me your ices do not contain any blood?" The look of stunned bewilderment on the face of the vendor and the chuckles from the queue behind me still makes me cringe with embarrassment

  We had to check all our food packets and tins for ingredients. Anything with lecithin, or words we couldn't understand and therefore could mean blood, were chucked out. Absolutely no red or pink sweets were allowed, so every packet of smarties had to be tipped out and sorted through before being given to the little ones to eat!

  There was actually a rumour going round our congregation that plans were in motion to inject every food product, even fresh fruit, with blood so that JWs would be forced to eat blood or starve. I was absolutely scared to death!!!

  It's no wonder I developed hypertension at an early age
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  The impact of Governing Body policy on higher education: read this!

  by Terry in

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  excerpt:.

  does your religion affect your income?by mari cockerell, ktxs newsabilene, texas -- the pew forum on religion and public life recently put out the results of a survey on wealth and religion in the united states.. you may be surprised to learn which religious groups in this country have the most and the least wealthy members.an infographic produced by the folks at www.good.is breaks down information gathered by the pew forum on religion and wealth.

  it maps out distribution of income for the 14 major religious groups in this country, charting those whose income is less than $30,000 a year all the way up to $100,000+.. what they found is interesting.the religions whose members earn the most money are jews and hindus.

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  ambersun

  LOL at punkofnice. I think that just about sums it up
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  New here and....

  by bushido8000 in

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  are there any jws on this site???

  i think i may be in the wrong place.... why am i only seeing atheists and other denominations of christians?.

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  ambersun

  Welcome bushido8000
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  Expectations of the New System: Classic example of JW stupidity

  by roxanesophia in

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  though i've stopped studying and have no interest anymore in the religion, bits of conversation with jw's keep coming back to me to confirm why that was the best decision.

  like this particularly idiotic belief:.

  since the jw's believe the faithful men of bible stories will be resurrected into "the new system" , i remember a discussion about 'how awesome it's going to be to meet job" or "you can marry one of job's sons!

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  ambersun

  It amazes me that there isn't more of an outcry by teachers at schools due to the sheer lunacy of some of the expectations their JW students heads are filled with.

  Can you just imagine the average JW children at school telling the teachers the REAL reason why they will not be taking part in the after school classes, such as music and art for example? Not just that it will take them away from meetings and valuable study time which is bad enough, but more importantly they have been told as FACT by their parents that it is a waste of time being taught to play the piano or paint in oils by mere 'Worldlings' when in the New System they will receive lessons from Chopin and Leonardo da Vinci who are going to be resurrected back onto the newly cleansed earth!!

  Boy are Chopin and Leonardo going to be busy
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  Social Isolation & The Witnesses

  by minimus in

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  the truth is that jehovah's witnesses purposely try to insulate their own members.

  they want their own to be "no part of the world".

  they do not sanction unnecessary association with "worldly people".

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  ambersun

  I've heard that the definition of a cult is a group that follows a charismatic man.

  I feel it is unlikely the WTS would be where it is today without all those years under Rutherford's controlling influence. Love him or hate him, he certainly had a charismatic appeal to his followers who continue being loyal to his teachings. 'New Light' only happens when one of his original teachings becomes obsolete and therefore has to be changed.

  That's my feelings on the matter anyway
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  A chance encounter that proved how much I've grown.

  by purpleplus in

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  while at a gas station, i saw an acquaintance from my jw days.

  i spoke to him first and he responded.

  we had a little small talk.

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  ambersun

  Great post purpleplus!

  I can really relate to how you must feel after handling that encounter with an ex JW acquaintance so confidently and pleasantly. Your post has really inspired me.

  Pre internet days, I used to get totally tongue tied whenever I encountered a JW who would start quizzing me with canned questioning designed to make me feel ashamed and upset and I would quickly change the subject to deflect any further questioning. However, since being on this site and reading the experiences of other ex dubs, and realising I have nothing to be ashamed or guilty about, things have changed and I have gained so much confidence.

  Me and hubby will be seeing some JW relatives later today, who we meet up with about once a year, and if they start asking questions I am actually looking forward to the chance to talk honestly and factually and without shame, about why we left and will never be going back.

  Thanks purpleplus and everyone else on JW.Net for helping to inspire such confidence in me