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  How would you respond to this JWs assertions?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  2. scandals

  my questions posted to mr. penny.

  do jehovah's witnesses teach their members to shun ex-jehovah witness family members living outside the home?

  do you support this practice?

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  ambersun

  "How would your religion deal with a member who no longer believes in the events alleged by your organization to have happened in 1914?"

  Find out why. And review the facts with such a one. Now if then this person becomes a divisive element in the congregation by promoting his views he can be disfellowshipped. --- Titus 3:10,11; 1 Timothy 1:19,20

  I would like Mr Penny to explain how action such as this towards a member, who's only crime is to express individual thinking, does NOT imply strong cultish undertones.

  Also, why is there such a fear of the rank and file being swayed by alternative thinking among the ranks if their belief is supposedly so strong? Surely the thoughts of an individual would not be a serious threat unless there was some danger of them having doubts themselves?
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  Are you going to Auxilliary Pioneer this October?

  by Quarterback in

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  2. friends

  the little demo at the ca showed a young fella meditating and by golly he reasoned that october had an extra weekend so that was reason enough for him to put in a a pioneer application.

  what a brilliant idea.. who else will be doing this?.

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  ambersun

  Id love to pioneer for October, unfortunately I am mentally diseased, and therefore, cant be arsed!

  Pamsgirl, that's given me the best laugh I've had all day

  Wouldn't it be brilliant if a closet apostate got up on the stage to do a demo about pioneering and instead of the usual gushing spiel about taking full advantage of Jehovah's loving provision of aux pioneering came out with THAT line instead!! Oooh, if only
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  If You Had 5 minutes to Create Doubt

  by roxanesophia in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i regularly encounter jw's i knew while studying and it kills me that they would likely not listen long enough for me to tell them the truth about the truth.

  my mother says "don't even bother.

  it's like finding out you were adopted.

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  ambersun

  Roxanesophie I think your mother's illustration is a very accurate analogy of the JW mindset and emphasises how difficult it is to get through to them.

  Believe me, if I had the formula for 5 minutes of reverse witnessing I would let everyone know!! My heart drops everytime I hear of yet another youngster in the family getting baptised and wasting their young lives sitting in stuffy meeting halls and traipsing up and down people's pathways instead of fulfilling their REAL dreams, or to feel justified in using their considerable talents to the full instead of waiting for the 'New System' before they are allowed to relax and be normal without feeling guilty.

  I think the best thing to do is as wobble said, let them see that you are leading a happy and fulfilled life, and continue to show them kindness, support and be interested in them and concerned for them if they have problems, which is probably more than they will get from the 'loving' brothers in the congregation. You will then prove to them by example that 'apostates' are not the cold hearted, evil creatures under the control of Satan that the WTS makes us all out to be. I have already had several occasions when JW family members with problems have received compassion and support from me and hubby, and other 'worldly' family members, yet received nothing from the people they should have got it from, i.e. the 'loving' brothers.

  Nice one Punkofnice! I like your style and it's always worth a try
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  I`ll play the devils advocate : generation change

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have the wt may 15 1994 scan with the birthdates & deaths of the 16 people featured, and it occured to me using wt logic,that you could extend the generation timespan this way.. #6 d.d.

  was born in 1892 and died in 1984. that was the earliest birth of this group.

  #4 j.e was born in 1912 and died in 1997. the age gap between these two is 20 years.

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  ambersun

  Smiddy, I think you are a genius and should get a job working for the WT writing team immediately!

  Keep an eye open for a forthcoming Watchtower containing Smiddy's 'New Light' in the very near future, folks
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  Are you going to Auxilliary Pioneer this October?

  by Quarterback in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the little demo at the ca showed a young fella meditating and by golly he reasoned that october had an extra weekend so that was reason enough for him to put in a a pioneer application.

  what a brilliant idea.. who else will be doing this?.

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  Ah yes, I remember demos like that when I was a dub. A month with an extra weekend! Lovely!!

  Yet another way to guilt trip the R&F into believing they HAVE to do more or they are not good enough to survive armageddon. JW parents everywhere will be nagging their teenage offsprings to put in their application forms and take full advantage of this 'loving provision' of a long month by Jehovah
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  Today's Watchtower Study is SO dumb!!!

  by TimothyT in

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  2. beliefs

  i would like to think of myself as an academic.

  im starting my second degree and i enjoy research.

  when i see a statement backed up by references and support from a credible source, sometimes i get excited.

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  I couldn't agree more agonus. The trouble is, the R&F are so conditioned to accept without question everything they see printed in WT literature that the boys in Brooklyn can do just about anything they want to make first century christians look like modern day JWs and not raise an eyebrow. Crazy!!!
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  Today's Watchtower Study is SO dumb!!!

  by TimothyT in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to think of myself as an academic.

  im starting my second degree and i enjoy research.

  when i see a statement backed up by references and support from a credible source, sometimes i get excited.

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  ambersun

  a depiction of what presumably a first century Christian "meeting" looked like, complete with folks sitting politely in chairs, all with their scrolls unfolded in their laps and one little girl with her hand up to answer.

  The majority of men, 98% of women and most assuredly 100% of little girls were unable to read, much less ever get close enough to a scroll to touch it.

  Thanks Cadellin. How can any reasonably intelligent person look at an illustration like that in the WT and not think how riduculous it is!! I wouldn't be surprised if the illustration also included a first century brother with 'privileges' holding a first century microphone towards the little girl's face as she offers up her happyfying answer that she has underlined on her scroll using a first century ball point pen

  Loving some of the comments here, especially Greybeard, I had tears (of laughter) in my eyes.

  Welcome to everyone new on this thread, and look forward to all your future comments
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  Sad and hilarious at the same time.

  by Shador in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  lol.

  so my parents are studying how to convince one of their bible studies that jws are not a cult.

  they just checked two different dictionaries, realized that the definitions given could, indeed, apply to jws.

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  ambersun

  They do not look to any human, but rather to Jesus Christ, as their leader.

  They neither follow a human nor isolate themselves from the rest of society.

  Ambersun pauses to wipe spluttered coffee off her laptop screen
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  Greetings everyone

  by MoneurMallard in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello everybody, i studied with the jehovah's about 10 years ago, was never baptized, never a publisher, never really did anything, went to a few of the watchtime meetings.

  my purpose at the time was a study on comparative religion, which i eventually became a student of in full practice.

  of all the organizations i met with, the witnesses were the most friendly at first, welcoming me to ask many questions about the bible.

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  ambersun

  Hello and a big welcome to you MoneuMallard

  What an interesting first post!! I am really looking forward to reading more comments from you and hope you will be very happy here
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  A warning for all from Totally ADD

  by TotallyADD in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it has been four days since i have been on jwn.

  because i am not as young as i used to be.

  as many know my wife and i are opening up a donut store.

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  ambersun

  I do hope you feel better soon TotallyADD and I wish you and your wife every success with your donut store