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  Jesus second coming in the first century

  by Jr in

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  this discussion will be quite extensive.

  so, i have broken it up in to subtopics.

  it will be shared by myself and associates in the faith.

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  Jr

  Hi,
  the point will be made that he did start to rule as King when he went back to heaven. I needed to lay the scriptural foundation before we go into it further. That way everbody can see, it is from the bible. But, before he could be used for anything, he had to prove himself a real "son of God" in the fullest sense.
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  32

  Jesus second coming in the first century

  by Jr in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this discussion will be quite extensive.

  so, i have broken it up in to subtopics.

  it will be shared by myself and associates in the faith.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Jr

  This was a thread started as a result of a previous discussion. It is to recourage a scriptural examination of a particular topic. If you would like to particpate, please let your comments be limited to scriptural support or disproof.

  Jesus had to prove himself to be a son of God

  Many of us believe that Jesus second coming is when he comes back to fight at Armagedom. This discussion is to show otherwise.

  The bible gives unmistakable evidence that helps us determine just when Jesus was actually enthroned in heaven as King. First of all we must go back to the biblical account found at Luke 1:32 which makes a key point for us in determining just when Jesus would indeed be enthroned in the heavens, with complete kingly power. The account says:

  “This one will be great and will be called son of the most high; and Jehovah God will give
  him the throne of David his father.”

  Well you might be saying that Jesus was already the Son of God. Yes, he was. The same way Adam was and myriads of angels.(Luke 3:38; Job 38:7) Well, Adam and many angels willingly sinned against God and joined in with Satan. Many of the Pharisees claimed to be sons of God. “They said to him:

  “We have one Father, God.”…Jesus said to them….You are from your
  father, the Devil and you wish to do the desire of your father…”
  (John 8:41,42,44)

  In this same way, if Jesus could maintain his faithful course and integrity under test, he would prove that nothing could change him from imitating his father. Yes, Jehovah did call Jesus his son at baptism, but would he remain so? We well remember Satan’s words to Jesus:
  “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become loaves of bread.” (Matt 4:3)

  Yes, even Satan wanted to know. So, Jesus had to prove himself under sever test to be declared “son of God” in the full sense.

  “…Concerning his Son, who sprang from the seed of David according to the flesh, but who with power was declared God’s son according to the spirit of holiness by means of resurrection from the dead - yes, Jesus Christ our Lord,” (Romans 1:3,4)

  So, even though Jesus had it natural, by birth, he still had to be “declared a son” after his resurrection. Then he would have proven himself an imitator of his father. He could then receive all the blessings that were promised to David concerning the “Davidic covenant” spoken of at 2 Samuel 7:12-14. :
  “When your days come to the full, and you must lie down with your forefathers, then I shall certainly raise up your seed after you, which will come out of your inward parts; and I shall indeed firmly establish his kingdom. He is the one that will build a house for my name, and I shall certainly establish the throne of his kingdom firmly to time indefinite. I myself shall become his father, and he himself will become my son….” See also Psalms 89:35-37

  Any comments? Or questions?
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  Jesus second coming in the first century

  by Jr in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this discussion will be quite extensive.

  so, i have broken it up in to subtopics.

  it will be shared by myself and associates in the faith.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Jr

  This discussion will be quite extensive. So, I have broken it up in to subtopics. It will be shared by myself and associates in the faith. Feel free to express yourselves scripturally. This is a discussion solidly based on the bible. And it will be developed over a period of days for discussion. Jump in at any time. The outline is as follows:

  Jesus second coming

  I. Jesus had to prove himself to be a son of God.(Jr)
  a.) He would be called the son of the most high.
  b.) He had to prove he was a son of God.

  II. A prophetic decree of his appointment.(Logical)
  a.) What being God’s son really meant.
  b.) When was this decree made?

  III. What first century christains expected of his return.(Bjc)
  a.) Conversations with his disciples.
  b.) His statements and what they implied.
  c.) What gentile congregations were taught.

  IV. When and how his authority was shown(Logical)

  V. How the scriptures show he returned.(Jr)
  a.) return to give recompense
  b.) how it manifested itself

  VI. What other questions need to be answered in the light of the other prophecies?(Jr)

  Please examine subject. My first post will be in the morning.

  Edited by - Jr on 25 January 2001 22:38:41

  Edited by - Jr on 26 January 2001 16:35:2
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  God Changing Chosen Peoples

  by eyes_opened in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my huband posed something to me yesterday that i had never even thought of before.

  he said, wouldn't it be possible that if a group <ie.

  jehovahs witnesses> fell out of gods favor, what would stop him from choosing another group?

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  Jr

  larc,
  No doubt you have a good point on both accounts. The account with Noah probably did not include every specie , but only the parent families that could provide the basis for hybrid development. Only Jehovah can say how and what happened.
  Let's start over. Let's take the subject of Christ return. I will start a new thread called, "Did Jesus second coming occur in the first century?". This discussion, I hope, proves to be one supported by scriptural arguments only, nothing else. No, "I don't think so" or "I don't think God would do that". If one believes God exist and has faith that God will finally act in behave of his people, then they will see and be impressed by this thread. If one can disprove a point scriptural, that will be welcomed. But if you try to disprove it, please give solid scriptural proofs. This will give everyone an opportunity to examine the evidence for themselves without the negative remarks that lead nowhere. We will take this a simple topic and develop it. If anyone would like to express scriptural arguments for or against, you’re welcome, but let's leave it scriptural and reasonable. I will begin this thread tonight. It will be called,"Did Jesus second coming occur in the first century?" I will need some time to get things together. So, I will see you tonight.
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  God Changing Chosen Peoples

  by eyes_opened in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my huband posed something to me yesterday that i had never even thought of before.

  he said, wouldn't it be possible that if a group <ie.

  jehovahs witnesses> fell out of gods favor, what would stop him from choosing another group?

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  Jr

  larc,
  Well, there are many topics that we can discuss and I have one in mind, but I want to know what it takes to convince you of truth from God's word. I don't want to start up a tree that is in vain.
  Is it just scriptures that have to say something specific? Is it a combination of scriptures that have to fit together? Is there any reasoning on the scriptures? Does it just have to be something that appeals to you and your liking? Does it have to fit into your expectations of what should be? Does it have to agree with things you already believe? Is there any room to peer into the word of God and search for truth or does it have to just stand out? WHAT!! does it take to convince you? DOES it take a miracle? ????
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  God Changing Chosen Peoples

  by eyes_opened in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my huband posed something to me yesterday that i had never even thought of before.

  he said, wouldn't it be possible that if a group <ie.

  jehovahs witnesses> fell out of gods favor, what would stop him from choosing another group?

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  Jr

  Let me ask a good questions. WHAT would it take to persuade you to
  see and beleive the "truth from God's word?
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  God Changing Chosen Peoples

  by eyes_opened in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my huband posed something to me yesterday that i had never even thought of before.

  he said, wouldn't it be possible that if a group <ie.

  jehovahs witnesses> fell out of gods favor, what would stop him from choosing another group?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Jr

  The truth is simple really. The hard part is finding it. And I have to say, as the scripture show, "Wisdom calls aloud in the street, she raises her voice in the public squares".(Proverb 1:20) Yes, boards like this are public places where wisdom is in the street. Think about it.
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  God Changing Chosen Peoples

  by eyes_opened in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my huband posed something to me yesterday that i had never even thought of before.

  he said, wouldn't it be possible that if a group <ie.

  jehovahs witnesses> fell out of gods favor, what would stop him from choosing another group?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Jr

  Hi all,
  I have to agree with Logical. It's not a matter of being "LOGICAL" :)(Oh, that was good :) :) LOL) It's plainly a matter of faith. Faith in God's words enough to trust it and him. But, then too, Jehovah has something to do with it. Remember when Jesus ask one of his apostles who he was. I think it was Peter. Peter said, "the son of God". Jesus replied, that the Father had revealed it to him. So, Jehovah allows some to remain in a veiled state. But, if a person really wants to find truth, Proverbs tells us , he will let himself be found. One must seek for it as if it was sliver or gold. If not, Jehovah knows it can't be worth much to them.
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  God Changing Chosen Peoples

  by eyes_opened in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my huband posed something to me yesterday that i had never even thought of before.

  he said, wouldn't it be possible that if a group <ie.

  jehovahs witnesses> fell out of gods favor, what would stop him from choosing another group?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Jr

  Hey all,
  This is a half disent thread. But, I didn't think
  JW's had to argue the pronunciation of God's name. We
  did study that subject quite a bit, I think????? :|?
  Well, if you will.
  Some very good points are being made here. For
  those that have a respect for Jehovah and his word,
  one thing you will find in this discussion, is sound
  scriptural truths. If you listen and study what is
  being said, you will find them.(Prov.2:1-9)
  Welcome aboard Logical!

  Jr
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  God Changing Chosen Peoples

  by eyes_opened in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my huband posed something to me yesterday that i had never even thought of before.

  he said, wouldn't it be possible that if a group <ie.

  jehovahs witnesses> fell out of gods favor, what would stop him from choosing another group?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Jr

  Hi all, This is a half dissent thread. But, I didn't think
  JW's had to argue the pronunciation of God's name. We
  did study that subject quite a bit, I think????? :|?
  Well, if you will.
  Some very good points are being made here. For
  those that have a respect for Jehovah and his word,
  one thing you will find in this discussion, is sound
  Scriptural truths. If you listen and study what is
  being said, you will find them.(Prov.2:1-9)
  Welcome aboard Logical!

  Jr