i seem to remember something on the board about leo greenlees being removed from bethel & the gb.
can anyone give me information about this.
is he still allive and where?
Hi Alan-
When I was at Bethel, I had heard about Greenlees and Chitty being gay from my bethel elder roommate. I had only been there maybe three months or so when he told me about it. I was shocked to say the least.
Also, if I am not mistaken Leo Greenlees lived in the New Orleans area not long after he was asked to leave Bethel.
Jeff S.
got some hate mail in my email this morning from [email protected].
just curious if anyone else received any too!.
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I got some hate mail the other day too. But it was from the guy you are talking about.
Jeff S.
bethel has responded to dr muramotos recent article in the british medical journal about the watchtower societys ridiculous teachings about blood abstinence.
this response comes in a letter to the editor of bmj from the director of hospital information services in great britain, one paul wade.
the reply is not only embarrassing for all thinking jws, it is disgraceful!
Jehovah's Witnesses Who Refuse to Decline Blood Transfusions
I found the comments on the differences between "refusal" and "decline" to be very interesting.
It is well known among current and former Jehovah's Witnesses than any active Jehovah's Witness who refuses to decline a blood transfusion can be subject to disfellowshipping which includes shunning from their Jehovah's Witness friends and relatives.
While Mr. Wade complains about the "paternalism" of physicians who might question the beliefs of Jehovah's Witness patients as "coercive questioning", I am curious why he does not mention the coercive threat of disfellowshipping that has been made by the leaders of the Jehovah's Witnesses to any member that accepts any part of the blood that the Watchtower has deemed unacceptable. If one doubts this here is the quote:
"The inspired Holy Scriptures answer yes....According to the law of Moses, which set forth shadows of things to come, the receiver of a blood transfusion must be cut off from God's people by excommunication or disfellowshiping....if in the future he persists in accepting blood transfusions or in donating blood toward the carrying out of this medical practice upon others, he shows that he has really not repented, but is deliberately opposed to God's requirements. As a rebellious opposer and unfaithful example to fellow members of the Christian congregation he must be cut off therefrom by disfellowshiping."- The Watchtower 01/15/1961 pp. 63, 64
Has this view changed? How does Mr. Wade respond to this?
Jeffery M. Schwehm
Assistant Professor of Chemistry
Concordia University, Nebraska
the lincoln journal star of lincoln nebraska published my letter about ajwrb in their may 7th edition.. i though you guys might like to know that.. jeff s.
The Lincoln Journal Star of Lincoln Nebraska published my letter about AJWRB in their May 7th edition.
I though you guys might like to know that.
Jeff S.
the lincoln journal star has a story in it this morning about a jw mother in omaha who lost custody of her son for refusing to allow a blood transfusion.
evidently her son has sickle cell anemia and his red blood cell count became extremely low.
the young boy was complaining that he could not breathe.. the newspaper does not have this story on the internet but the paper says it is an ap story.. i thought you guys would want to know.. jeff s.
I wrote the following letter to the editor of the Lincoln Journal Star. The last time they had an article on the JWs and blood they published my letter. We will see if they publish this one too.
Jeff S.
I would like to thank University hospital and the police for their action in making sure that the son of the Jehovah's Witness mother received the medical care needed to save his life. Jehovah's Witnesses' views on blood are controversial and difficult to understand. What most people do not realize is that there are Jehovah's Witnesses who disagree with the leaders of the Jehovah's Witnesses and their views on blood transfusions.
Dissenting Jehovah's Witnesses have organized themselves into the Associated Jehovah's Witnesses for Reform on Blood. Their website is www.ajwrb.org. The following quote is from their website:
Some Jehovah's Witnesses believe that a blood transfusion is a liquid tissue or organ transplant, not a meal, and hence does not violate the biblical admonition to "abstain from [eating] blood." The Watchtower Society attempts to deny these members a free choice in their medical care by means of controls and sanctions - namely enforced shunning by JW family members and friends.
Medical confidentiality in dealing with these dissenting JW patients is essentially to prevent the church from retaliating against them through shunning. Also when a minor child is involved the state needs to protect these children from these damaging religious beliefs and I am glad that this occurred in this case.
Jeffery M. Schwehm
the lincoln journal star has a story in it this morning about a jw mother in omaha who lost custody of her son for refusing to allow a blood transfusion.
evidently her son has sickle cell anemia and his red blood cell count became extremely low.
the young boy was complaining that he could not breathe.. the newspaper does not have this story on the internet but the paper says it is an ap story.. i thought you guys would want to know.. jeff s.
Hi-
The Lincoln Journal Star has a story in it this morning about a JW mother in Omaha who lost custody of her son for refusing to allow a blood transfusion. Evidently her son has sickle cell anemia and his red blood cell count became extremely low. The young boy was complaining that he could not breathe.
The newspaper does not have this story on the internet but the paper says it is an AP story.
I thought you guys would want to know.
Jeff S.
june15 wt contains some very helpful assistance in identifying those having gods backing.
having read the article......i am no wiser!
well....no surprises there i guess!
Hi-
The JWs are great at circular reasoning.
I once had a discussion with a JW family member. She told me that the reason she was a JW is because only the JWs teach the Bible correctly. When I asked her if she believed that one could come to an understanding of God's purposes by reading the Bible alone...she told me no. It made me wonder, if she does not believe that one can understand the Bible without help from some religious authority, then how can she tell if the JWs are really teaching the Bible correctly?
Jeff S.
sad person that i am, i posted this yesterday, but the post seems to have self destructed....... anyway, if anyone posted to the other thread wants to re-post to this one it would be much appreciated.
alright, this is one of those what was your favourite questions:.
when you were a witness (or even if youre still reluctantly attached like me), did you have a favourite kingdom melody (why couldnt they just be called hymns by the way)?.
Hi-
My sister still attends the Kingdom Hall sometimes but really has no desire to be a JW. I think she still goes just to keep peace with my mom.
Anyway, she told me that she was sitting in my JW mother's living room singing the hymn "Amazing Grace". My mother came in and asked her why she was sing *that* song and not one of the kingdom songs. My sister told my mother that she was singing "Amazing Grace" because at least it is a pretty song. LOL I could not believe she told my mother that!!! My mother is a true believer.
Also, when we were really young we used to use the pink songbook. My brother Jason loved the song
"Hey There All You Thirsty Ones,
Come and drink "ICE" water free."
LOL He used to really belt it out too.
Jeff S.
that got you to read this!
what country are you from?.
i find it encouraging to see where different posters are from in the world, especially for me, if you are from the uk or europe.
Hi
When I was an active JW I lived in the New Orleans, LA area. I attended the East Metairie, Covington, and Abita Springs Congregation. I spent a year at Brooklyn, Bethel.
I lived for 5 years in Fayetteville, Arkansas and now I live in Seward, Nebraska USA. Seward is about 20 miles northwest of Lincoln, Nebraska.
Jeff Schwehm
i love the book lists on amazon; i get lost in them for hours.
recently someone asked me for book recommendations, and i thought it would be fun if we shared our lists of top ten books that helped us think our way out of the jw dogma.
im putting aside the obvious ones, like crisis of conscience and apocalypse delayed.. heres my list, in the order i discovered them as best i can recall.. ginny.
Here are 10 but not in any particular order:
"The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse" by Jeff Van Vonderan and David Johnson.
"Combatting Cult Mind Control" by Steven Hassan
"Releasing the Bonds-Empowering People to Think for Themselves" by Steven Hassan
"The History of the Church" by Eusebius
"Dialogue with Trypho the Jew" by Justin Martyr
"Church History in Plain Language" by Bruce Shelley
"The Canon of the New Testament" by Bruce Metzger
"The Catechism of the Catholic Church"
"Luther's Small Catechism"
"History of Theology" by Bengt Hagglund
Jeff S.
