Posts by alice.in.wonderland

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How are current jw's told to feel about vampires

by loosie in

i haven't attened a meeting in 5 years.

i was wondering what the wtbts has to say about the popularity of vampires we see currently in pop culture.

are they saying its evil and from satan?.

alice.in.wonderland

Vampires are just a fictional creation. At times the stories take a tone of demonism if anyone has seen this movie:

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Ezekiel 29:12 - Prophecy of the Desolation of Egypt for 40 years

by VM44 in

ezekiel 29:12. new international version(1984).

i will make the land of egypt desolate among devastated lands, and her cities will lie desolate forty years among ruined cities.

and i will disperse the egyptians among the nations and scatter them through the countries.. new living translation(2007).

alice.in.wonderland

Correction: " Whether Jesus died on a cross or stake is somewhat of a trivial issue"

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Ezekiel 29:12 - Prophecy of the Desolation of Egypt for 40 years

by VM44 in

ezekiel 29:12. new international version(1984).

i will make the land of egypt desolate among devastated lands, and her cities will lie desolate forty years among ruined cities.

and i will disperse the egyptians among the nations and scatter them through the countries.. new living translation(2007).

alice.in.wonderland

" There really isn't much more to say, is there?"

There may have been one or more person(s) in the organization that lied to you but your experience doesn't implicate the organization as a whole. Not to mention, no one here that bashes the organization has identified a religious organization that meets their approval. The scope of many (not all) people's minds here is very narrow.

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Ezekiel 29:12 - Prophecy of the Desolation of Egypt for 40 years

by VM44 in

ezekiel 29:12. new international version(1984).

i will make the land of egypt desolate among devastated lands, and her cities will lie desolate forty years among ruined cities.

and i will disperse the egyptians among the nations and scatter them through the countries.. new living translation(2007).

alice.in.wonderland

"just as in science misinterpretations of the empirical evidence may lead to incorrect conclusions."

When it comes to misinterpretations of scientific empirical evidence, it's important not to do that.

http://www.watchtower.org/e/20020608/article_01.htm

Let the known facts speak: In the quest for answers, we need to be guided by sound principles. Unless we stick to the highest standards of evidence, we can easily be misled in our search for scientific and religious truth.

The Illiad has been noted as quite historically accurate.

The Iliad describes the Trojan war - we have found Troy just about where the poem said it would be. There were heaps of eyewitness accounts to the truth of Achilles' actions. After all, there were tens of thousands of soldiers at the battle, both Trojan and Greek, who saw his feats. Archaeological evidence however, shouldn't suggest that the Iliad is the divine and inspired work of the God Zeus.

The Bible was a book written over a period of 1500 years by 40 writers unlike the Iliad. Pursuing religious truth by emphasizing history above science can misled a person in search of scientific and religious truth. People can write down anything they want. I remember the introduction to Braveheart:

Narrator: I shall tell you of William Wallace. Historians from England will say I am a liar, but history is written by those who have hanged heroes. The king of Scotland had died without a son, and the king of England, a cruel pagan known as Edward the Longshanks, claimed the throne of Scotland for himself. Scotland's nobles fought him, and fought each other, over the crown. So Longshanks invited them to talks of truce - no weapons, one page only. Among the farmers of that shire was Malcolm Wallace, a commoner with his own lands; he had two sons, John and William.

I'm selective and objective when forming conclusions about history in general. It hasn't been my experience that Jehovah and visible organization lie to people. I noticed you posted articles like this one here:

http://www.freeminds.org/doctrine/jesus/the-facts-on-crucifixion-stauros-and-the-torture-stake.html

Whether Jesus died on a cross of stake is somewhat of a trivial issue. What is it that motivated you to participate in a campaign against Jehovah's Witnesses? It couldn't be because the Bible is out of sync with secular history because all Christian religions are to some extent Bible based.

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The Evolution of God

by alice.in.wonderland in

what do you think: did god invent man or did man invent god?

http://evolutionofgod.net/about_book/ .

in the evolution of god, robert wright takes us on a sweeping journey through history, unveiling a discovery of crucial importance to the present moment: there is a pattern in the evolution of judaism, christianity, and islam, and a hidden code in their scriptures.

alice.in.wonderland

Yknot, this is the first time I've visited a belief website specific to Jehovah's Witnesses. It didn't say ex-Jehovah's Witnesses.net so I assumed this website may collect users from backgrounds with some diversity. It's not that at all:

(Jude 17-19) . . .As for you, beloved ones, call to mind the sayings that have been previously spoken by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, how they used to say to you: “In the last time there will be ridiculers, proceeding according to their own desires for ungodly things.” These are the ones that make separations, animalistic [men], not having spirituality.

This website is terrible. I can't understand how you're a witness being here for two or three years. These [men], not having spirituality manipulate public opinion and me being here is like trying to mix oil with water so I'll no longer be participating.

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The Evolution of God

by alice.in.wonderland in

what do you think: did god invent man or did man invent god?

http://evolutionofgod.net/about_book/ .

in the evolution of god, robert wright takes us on a sweeping journey through history, unveiling a discovery of crucial importance to the present moment: there is a pattern in the evolution of judaism, christianity, and islam, and a hidden code in their scriptures.

alice.in.wonderland

"What type of witness reads that kinda of stuff......

Or for that matter goes looking for it in a bookstore or on amazon?

_____________

Serious question....

Do you have any forms of autism?"

Haven't you ever stepped into the shoes of an atheist to understand their thinking or are you that unstable?

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The Evolution of God

by alice.in.wonderland in

what do you think: did god invent man or did man invent god?

http://evolutionofgod.net/about_book/ .

in the evolution of god, robert wright takes us on a sweeping journey through history, unveiling a discovery of crucial importance to the present moment: there is a pattern in the evolution of judaism, christianity, and islam, and a hidden code in their scriptures.

alice.in.wonderland

"As to your question, you're WAY behind the times... Better look up the "Acheulean Goddess", before you consider all the "Johnny-come-lately", Middle-Eastern male [volcano] 'gods'..."

What are you even talking about? Don't you get anything?

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The Evolution of God

by alice.in.wonderland in

what do you think: did god invent man or did man invent god?

http://evolutionofgod.net/about_book/ .

in the evolution of god, robert wright takes us on a sweeping journey through history, unveiling a discovery of crucial importance to the present moment: there is a pattern in the evolution of judaism, christianity, and islam, and a hidden code in their scriptures.

alice.in.wonderland

I'd answer more questions Outlaw if I didn't have to contend with your asinine spam as it spoils any sane discussion.

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Chochise Pendelton author of the book " The Bible vs. The Watchtower" new program on Six Screens Tele- network.

by koolaid-man in

jw
friends

on june 6th, 5 p.m pacific time... 8 p.m. e.s.t.

chochise pendelton author of " the bible vs. the watchtower" starts his new program on the six screens tele- network.

the program is entitled "christianity 101".

alice.in.wonderland

Member of Ex-Jehovah's Witness for Jesus Christ

Very interesting. How do you define "Jesus Christ's representatives" institutionally? As it's obviously not related to the Watchtower and the magazine's associated organization.

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The Evolution of God

by alice.in.wonderland in

what do you think: did god invent man or did man invent god?

http://evolutionofgod.net/about_book/ .

in the evolution of god, robert wright takes us on a sweeping journey through history, unveiling a discovery of crucial importance to the present moment: there is a pattern in the evolution of judaism, christianity, and islam, and a hidden code in their scriptures.

alice.in.wonderland

What do you think: Did God invent man or did man invent God?

http://evolutionofgod.net/about_book/

In The Evolution of God, Robert Wright takes us on a sweeping journey through history, unveiling a discovery of crucial importance to the present moment: there is a pattern in the evolution of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, and a “hidden code” in their scriptures. Reading these scriptures in light of the circumstances surrounding their creation, Wright reveals the forces that have repeatedly moved the Abrahamic faiths away from belligerence and intolerance to a higher moral plane. And he shows how these forces could today let these faiths reassert their deep proclivity toward harmony and reconciliation. What’s more, his analysis raises the prospect of a second kind of reconciliation: the reconciliation of science and religion.

Using the prisms of archaeology, theology, history, and evolutionary psychology, Wright repeatedly overturns conventional wisdom:

Contrary to the belief that Moses brought monotheism to the Middle East, ancient Israel was in fact polytheistic until after the Babylonian exile.
Jesus didn’t really say, “Love your enemies,” or extol the good Samaritan. These misquotes were inserted in scripture decades after the crucifixion.
Muhammad was neither a militant religious zealot nor a benign spiritual leader but a cool political pragmatist, at one point flirting with polytheism in an attempt to build his coalition.

Wright shows that, however mistaken our traditional ideas about God or gods, their evolution points to a transcendent prospect: that the religious quest is valid, and that a modern, scientific worldview leaves room for something that can meaningfully be called divine.

Vast in ambition and brilliant in execution, The Evolution of God will forever alter our understanding of God and where He came from—and where He and we are going next.

In this book I’ve used the word “god” in two senses. First, there are the gods that have populated human history—rain gods, war gods, creator gods, all-purpose gods (such as the Abrahamic god), and so on. These gods exist in people’s heads and, presumably, nowhere else.

http://evolutionofgod.net/excerpts_afterword/

But occasionally I’ve suggested that there might be a kind of god that is real. This prospect was raised by the manifest existence of a moral order—that is, by the stubborn, if erratic, expansion of humankind’s moral imagination over the millennia, and the fact that the ongoing maintenance of social order depends on the further expansion of the moral imagination, on movement toward moral truth. The existence of a moral order, I’ve said, makes it reasonable to suspect that humankind in some sense has a “higher purpose.” And maybe the source of this higher purpose, the source of the moral order, is something that qualifies for the label “god” in at least some sense of that word.