“Cheer up! Noah's flood, the animal's wooden ark & a childish, mean, selfish, temper tantrum spoilt brat god, are just mythology, otherwise known as fairy tales."
So the “peer reviewed scientific documents” for human origins are anymore credible? Just because specious theories are glazed with scientific syntax doesn't make them anymore credible than ancient parables.
alice.in.wonderland
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Was God over reacting destroying the whole planet in Noah's flood to kill afew evil people...too bad Noah forgot the Unicorns and Dinosaurs according to the Watchtower!
by Witness 007 inyes instead of striking them dead he decided to flood the entire planet killing every living plant and animal {sorry peta members} which only afew years before he created declaring it "good.
" then he made a "rainbow" as a sign that never again will he destroy every living thing.. wasn't this over the top?.
too bad they forgot the poor unicorns and dinosuars though!.
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2nd video on 1919 Watchtower's Wacky Chronology
by Awakened at Gilead inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfrz4bepvye.
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i had some time to put this together... let me know what you think... .
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alice.in.wonderland
"What you're trying to explain away is your assertion that minor victims should be blamed for not reporting to the authorities when abuse occurs and then you turn around and try to discount any testimony from a minor because they are minors.
You can't have it both ways Alice and I really doubt you're an adult."
You should probably find out how many adults will automatically contact the authorities just because a teenager tells them something. I'm glad the adult world you live in isn't associated with mine unless teenagers never lie.
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Was God over reacting destroying the whole planet in Noah's flood to kill afew evil people...too bad Noah forgot the Unicorns and Dinosaurs according to the Watchtower!
by Witness 007 inyes instead of striking them dead he decided to flood the entire planet killing every living plant and animal {sorry peta members} which only afew years before he created declaring it "good.
" then he made a "rainbow" as a sign that never again will he destroy every living thing.. wasn't this over the top?.
too bad they forgot the poor unicorns and dinosuars though!.
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alice.in.wonderland
g90 2/8 pp. 10-11 What Happened to the Dinosaurs?
The Dating of DinosaursDinosaur bones are regularly found in lower earth layers than are human bones, leading many to conclude that they belong to an earlier time period. Geologists call this time the Mesozoic period and subdivide it into the Cretaceous, Jurassic, and Triassic periods. The time frames used for these periods are on the order of tens of millions of years. But has this been established with any certainty?
One method being used to measure the age of fossils is called radiocarbon dating. This dating system measures the rate of decay of radioactive carbon from the point of death of the organism. “Once an organism dies, it no longer absorbs new carbon dioxide from its environment, and the proportion of the isotope falls off over time as it undergoes radioactive decay,” states Science and Technology Illustrated.
However, there are severe problems with the system. First, when the fossil is considered to be about 50,000 years old, its level of radioactivity has fallen so low that it can be detected only with great difficulty. Second, even in more recent specimens, this level has fallen so low that it is still extremely difficult to measure accurately. Third, scientists can measure the present-day rate of radioactive carbon formation but have no way of measuring carbon concentrations in the distant past.
So whether they use the radiocarbon method for dating fossils or other methods, such as employing radioactive potassium, uranium, or thorium, for dating rocks, scientists are unable to establish the original levels of those elements through ages of time. Thus, professor of metallurgy Melvin A. Cook observes: “One may only guess these concentrations [of radioactive materials], and the age results thus obtained can be no better than this guess.” That would especially be so when we consider that the Flood of Noah’s day over 4,300 years ago brought enormous changes in the atmosphere and on earth.
Dartmouth College geologists Charles Officer and Charles Drake further add doubt to the accuracy of radioactive dating. They state: “We conclude that iridium and other associated elements were not deposited instantaneously . . . but rather that there was an intense and variable influx of these constituents during a relatively short geologic time interval on the order of 10,000 to 100,000 years.” They argue that the breakup and movement of the continents disrupted the entire globe, causing volcanic eruptions, blocking sunlight and fouling the atmosphere. Certainly, such disruptive events could change radioactivity levels, thus distorting results from modern-day radioactive clocks.
The Genesis Account and Dinosaurs
While the radioactive dating method is innovative, it is still based on speculation and assumption. In contrast, the Bible account in the first chapter of Genesis simply states the general order of creation. It allows for possibly thousands of millions of years for the formation of the earth and many millenniums in six creative eras, or “days,” to prepare the earth for human habitation.
Some dinosaurs (and pterosaurs) may indeed have been created in the fifth era listed in Genesis, when the Bible says that God made “flying creatures” and “great sea monsters.” Perhaps other types of dinosaurs were created in the sixth epoch. The vast array of dinosaurs with their huge appetites would have been appropriate considering the abundant vegetation that evidently existed in their time.—Genesis 1:20-24.
When the dinosaurs had fulfilled their purpose, God ended their life. But the Bible is silent on how he did that or when. We can be sure that dinosaurs were created by Jehovah for a purpose, even if we do not fully understand that purpose at this time. They were no mistake, no product of evolution. That they suddenly appear in the fossil record unconnected to any fossil ancestors, and also disappear without leaving connecting fossil links, is evidence against the view that such animals gradually evolved over millions of years of time. Thus, the fossil record does not support the evolution theory. Instead, it harmonizes with the Bible’s view of creative acts of God. -
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Was God over reacting destroying the whole planet in Noah's flood to kill afew evil people...too bad Noah forgot the Unicorns and Dinosaurs according to the Watchtower!
by Witness 007 inyes instead of striking them dead he decided to flood the entire planet killing every living plant and animal {sorry peta members} which only afew years before he created declaring it "good.
" then he made a "rainbow" as a sign that never again will he destroy every living thing.. wasn't this over the top?.
too bad they forgot the poor unicorns and dinosuars though!.
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alice.in.wonderland
"There is now widespread evidence that a meteorite impact was at least the partial cause for this extinction."
The "evidence" is as follows and is theoretical:
Impact craters are visible on most planets in our solar system. A spectacular example of this was witnessed in 1994, when Jupiter was struck by a series of cometary fragments. Some of these impact blasts were larger than the Earth's diameter. Other factors such as extensive release of volcanic gases, climatic cooling (with related changes in ocean currents and weather patterns), sea-level change, low reproduction rates, poison gases from a comet, or changes in the Earth's orbit or magnetic field may have contributed to this extinction event.
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Was God over reacting destroying the whole planet in Noah's flood to kill afew evil people...too bad Noah forgot the Unicorns and Dinosaurs according to the Watchtower!
by Witness 007 inyes instead of striking them dead he decided to flood the entire planet killing every living plant and animal {sorry peta members} which only afew years before he created declaring it "good.
" then he made a "rainbow" as a sign that never again will he destroy every living thing.. wasn't this over the top?.
too bad they forgot the poor unicorns and dinosuars though!.
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alice.in.wonderland
w73 7/15 p. 447 Questions From Readers
When did God create dinosaurs, and when did they become extinct?—U.S.A.
The Bible does not provide specific answers to this question. According to the Genesis account, animals were created during the fifth and sixth creative periods or ‘days.’ If the Hebrew expression translated “great sea monsters” [Hebrew, tan·ni·nim′] includes dinosaurs, which often inhabited swampy, watery areas, this would mean that dinosaurs were created on the fifth “day.” (Gen. 1:21) We do not know whether they continued to exist until man was created (toward the close of the sixth “day”). At the very latest it seems likely that they must have disappeared off the earth at the time of the flood of Noah’s day. Dinosaurs were reptiles, and some kinds of dinosaurs bear strong resemblance structurally and otherwise to lizards (sauros is, in fact, the Greek word for “lizard”; saura in Leviticus 11:29, LXX). Not all types of dinosaurs were of such gigantic size. Hence, even if they had survived till the Flood, this would not have required taking pairs of the mammoth varieties into the ark. Other smaller members of the particular family or “kind” to which these belonged would have sufficed to fulfill the divine command.—Gen. 6:19, 20; 7:14.
This was simply an explanation from a Biblical viewpoint.
http://www.scienceviews.com/dinosaurs/dinofacts.html
After the dinosaurs died out, nearly 65 million years passed before people appeared on Earth. However, small mammals (including shrew-sized primates) were alive at the time of the dinosaurs. Many scientists who study dinosaurs (vertebrate paleontologists) now think that birds are direct descendants of one line of carnivorous dinosaurs, and some consider that they in fact represent modern living dinosaurs. This theory remains under discussion and shows that there is still much we don't know about dinosaurs.
Throughout the Mesozoic Era, individual dinosaur species were evolving and becoming extinct for various reasons. The unusually massive extinction at the end of the Cretaceous exterminated the last of the dinosaurs, the flying reptiles, and the large swimming reptiles, as well as many other marine animals. There is now widespread evidence that a meteorite impact was at least the partial cause for this extinction....or God put an end to this initial race of reptiles to pave the way for the creation of humans and the diversity of life as we know it.
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Was God over reacting destroying the whole planet in Noah's flood to kill afew evil people...too bad Noah forgot the Unicorns and Dinosaurs according to the Watchtower!
by Witness 007 inyes instead of striking them dead he decided to flood the entire planet killing every living plant and animal {sorry peta members} which only afew years before he created declaring it "good.
" then he made a "rainbow" as a sign that never again will he destroy every living thing.. wasn't this over the top?.
too bad they forgot the poor unicorns and dinosuars though!.
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alice.in.wonderland
According to carbon dating and other dating methods: Dinosaurs went extinct about 65 million years ago (at the end of the Cretaceous Period), after living on Earth for about 165 million years.
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/benton.html
The Book of Genesis accounts for 6000 years of human history. I don't see that this argument can even be directed at religious fundamentalists if some mush-head is allowed to use the internet without parental supervision. -
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2nd video on 1919 Watchtower's Wacky Chronology
by Awakened at Gilead inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfrz4bepvye.
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i had some time to put this together... let me know what you think... .
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alice.in.wonderland
"Some of the individuals that tell things to the elders are nod children, they're of the age of accountability (older teens and adults).
Stupid, stupid, stupid, older teens are not legally accountable until the age of majority of 18 (that is true in the US, I can't vouch for other countries). A teen under the age of majority cannot enter into legal contract and therefore cannot be sued (there are exceptions to that rule such as murder cases where a teen can be tried as an adult). If an older teen reports being molested to CPS it is taken under consideration the same as if the report came from a younger teen or a preteen or a child.
Geez, you're stupid."
A person who is less than 18 years of age is considered a juvenile, but this is referring to whether or not they can be legally tried as an adult in a court of law, and subjected to the same punishment as an adult upon conviction.
What I'm specifying here are prepubescent teens that make allegations of abuse. This is taken very seriously by most people (excluding the Micheal Jackson trial). If a fifteen year old testifies in court, their testimony will not be automatically accepted as incriminating evidence if there's conflicting testimony and no other witnesses or no physical evidence. I shouldn't have to explain this to an adult. -
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FAO: Bane - You Mentioned the Eye
by cantleave ini don't want to hijack the other thread.. you mention the eye being better than any camera so lets discuss this.
i used to give a talk where i would use the complexity of the eye as evidence of creation, but i have since changed my mind and below is the reasoning that helped me do so.. i would welcome you comments and reasoning against this.. if you had a choice between being totally blind and being able to see things out of focus, which would you pick.. i'm sure you would, like me prefer to have out of focus vision, than no vision at all.. would you rather have vision that was out of focus and devoid of color, or be totally blind.
i'm sure you prefer the colour option.. how about if you could only see vague shapes around you or blindness?
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alice.in.wonderland
"Superficial assertions of the human eye as an irreducibly complex organ.'
Correction: Superficial assertions of the human eye as a reducibly complex organ is not evidence for macroevolution nor is there an adequate demonstration of macroevolution..
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2nd video on 1919 Watchtower's Wacky Chronology
by Awakened at Gilead inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfrz4bepvye.
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i had some time to put this together... let me know what you think... .
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"So you believe most if not all of the accusations (even the ones that have gone to court, been proven, and the wt paid out on) against jws of child molestations have been mere conjecture? What proof do you have of that? None. All you have dear Alice is conjecture, nothing more.
You don't have the balls to go against Bill Bowen. All you have is your ranting and raving about the poor innocent jws who have been accused of touching a child and you even have the nerve to try and defend the ones who have been found guilty at the expense of the victim.
You're no mother."
“So you believe most if not all of the accusations (even the ones that have gone to court, been proven, and the wt paid out on) against jws of child molestations have been mere conjecture?”
I said nothing like this and you're evading my question. Nothing would have ever gone to court if it wasn't for people like Bill Bowen or Barbra Anderson.
For example, in the case of Amy B Vs WT, the petition wasn't filed until 06/03/03; this was after Bill Bowen and like minded individuals initiated their crusade. The only people that find the fantasy of Jehovah's Organization being a pedophilia paradise appealing are apostates with an appetite for damaging the reputation of Jehovah's Witnesses.
It's been my experience that Jehovah's Organization operates a lot like the corperation I work for. If something is broken it is fixed very quickly. I have yet to discover the system Jehovah's Witnesses uses for weeding out problematic members in the congregation is flawed. No one here has presented anything credible that the system Jehovah's Witnesses uses to deal with corruption needs improvement.Who Has a Better Policy?
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2nd video on 1919 Watchtower's Wacky Chronology
by Awakened at Gilead inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfrz4bepvye.
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i had some time to put this together... let me know what you think... .
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alice.in.wonderland
"This is the way I see it:
I am a mother of four children, one of whom is a girl of 12 years. If my daughter, God forbid, came to me and told me that she had been molested for a number of years the first thought directed towards my daughter that would go through my mind would not be "Why didn't you call CPS?" My first thought would be "I'm gonna kill the bastard" and then after I calmed down (as if that would be possilble) I would call the cops.
I would never ever blame my children or any other child for not going to the authorities. I would blame the sick **** for having the nerve to touch my child and thinking that they were going to get away with it.
I really don't believe that you're a mother like you've claimed on this board Alice."
My daughter is three years old. Some of the individuals that tell things to the elders are not children, they're of the age of accountability (older teens and adults). This is where complications arise. You don't throw the book at someone based on the testimony of one person and nothing else. This applies in the Christian congregation and in a court of law. Being innocent, how would you like it if someone contacted CPS to conduct an investigation into your family based on mere conjecture? What do you make of this?