imagine that!.
invisible persons!.
from ancient times some of us have imagined there to be living persons that can't be seen but that are more than real!.
"I believe in the ability for Alice to express an original thought - even though such a concept is at present invisible."
I made plenty of my own statements. I already referenced one person that chose to rewrite history and invent an alternate version of reality. What's your “original” position?
my grandparents are jehovah's witnesses and didn't raise their daughter to behave in such a manner.
i sent her this letter:.
g82 5/8 pp.
She's become dysfunctional and horrible to be around.
my grandparents are jehovah's witnesses and didn't raise their daughter to behave in such a manner.
i sent her this letter:.
g82 5/8 pp.
My grandparents are Jehovah's Witnesses and didn't raise their daughter to behave in such a manner. I sent her this letter:
g82 5/8 pp. 8-9 Women in Wealthier Lands
Is This Really Freedom?
The new freedoms also victimize women in hidden ways. The permissive society encourages them to abandon “old-fashioned” morality and be more lax. Modern methods of contraception have removed (to an extent) the threat of unwanted pregnancies, while modern medicine can handle venereal disease (to a degree). Yet young women have found other problems with immorality. There is an emotional toll too.
A woman columnist commented perceptively: “I don’t think it is suited to women to sleep around when they are young because I think that young women are nice, idealistic, warm-hearted creatures who should be developed as people, and not exploited.” She goes on: “Women need to feel valued for themselves and not just for their sexuality . . . Promiscuity, in the end, makes women feel nothing.”—Sunday Telegraph (London).
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It's worse for a women over 50 to sleep around and become callous and desensitized. There's no one that thinks you have any practical value as a family member. More like hollow and emotionally deficient. I'm back at the meetings and getting involved with a real family (the Christian congregation). As long as your grossly immoral I'll just write you off as bad association and of no use to me.
Do not be misled. Bad associations spoil useful habits. Wake up to soberness in a righteous way and do not practice sin, for some are without knowledge of God. I am speaking to move you to shame. 1 Corinthians 15:33-34
read the account of moses taking the credit for the water provision miracle and that of king david's folly and his consequences.. ...read them.... ...you are still reading.... ...ok now you have that fresh in your mind.. jehovah had a correctional arrangement in place for all his spokesmen.
story of jonah would work great too.
the point being that in the bible god has always had this correctional arrangement for the leaders of his earthly organization.. that being said, where did that arrangement go?
"The problem with the way your acting is that you are angry."
I'm not angry, often when I chime in to a forum, it's a break from working. If someone uses profanity toward me I just recopy it real big as a deflection. It may not be a Biblical response but it's better than resorting to profanity myself.
“When the angels of death sweep over this planet how do they know to "pass over" you?”
. . .you may pick from the young rams or from the goats. And it must continue under safeguard by you until the fourteenth day of this month, and the whole congregation of the assembly of Israel must slaughter it between the two evenings. And they must take some of the blood and splash it upon the two doorposts and the upper part of the doorway belonging to the houses in which they will eat it. Exodus 12:5-7
(Exodus 12:13) . . .And the blood must serve as your sign upon the houses where you are; and I must see the blood and pass over you , and the plague will not come on you as a ruination when I strike at the land of Egypt.
Are you suggesting I slaughter a goat or a ram? Don't have any of those.
imagine that!.
invisible persons!.
from ancient times some of us have imagined there to be living persons that can't be seen but that are more than real!.
The Evolution of God by Robert Wright provides a naturalistic explanation for the idea of the existence of invisible beings.
http://www.evolutionofgod.net/excerpts_afterword/
By the Way, What Is God?
In this book I’ve used the word “god” in two senses. First, there are the gods that have populated human history—rain gods, war gods, creator gods, all-purpose gods (such as the Abrahamic god), and so on. These gods exist in people’s heads and, presumably, nowhere else.
A supernatural explanation: all of the polytheistic deities/ religions map to an ancient civilization.
it-1 p. 237 Babylon
Religion. Babylon was a most religious place. Evidence from excavations and from ancient texts points to the existence of more than 50 temples. The principal god of the imperial city was Marduk, called Merodach in the Bible. It has been suggested that Nimrod was deified as Marduk, but the opinions of scholars as to identifications of gods with specific humans vary. Triads of deities were also prominent in the Babylonian religion. One of these, made up of two gods and a goddess, was Sin (the moon-god), Shamash (the sun-god), and Ishtar; these were said to be the rulers of the zodiac. And still another triad was composed of the devils Labartu, Labasu, and Akhkhazu. Idolatry was everywhere in evidence. Babylon was indeed “a land of graven images,” filthy “dungy idols.”—Jer 50:1, 2, 38.
The Babylonians believed in the immortality of the human soul.—The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, by M. Jastrow, Jr., 1898, p. 556.
The Babylonians developed astrology in an effort to discover man’s future in the stars. (See ASTROLOGERS.) Magic, sorcery, and astrology played a prominent part in their religion. (Isa 47:12, 13; Da 2:27; 4:7) Many heavenly bodies, for example, planets, were named after Babylonian gods. Divination continued to be a basic component of Babylonian religion in the days of Nebuchadnezzar, who used it to reach decisions.—Eze 21:20-22.
Israel’s Age-Old Enemy. The Bible makes many references to Babylon, beginning with the Genesis account of the original city of Babel. (Ge 10:10; 11:1-9)
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The numerous names for these deities in ancient Babylon represented spirit beings, but not from the true God's inner circle or anywhere else in his domain. Technically, the deities do exist and the names and idols demons (fallen angels) assigned to themselves when they initiated religion in Babylon through mediumistic rituals between these spirits and living people was to make their existence more tangible so people could worship them.
When the original language in Babylon was confused by God, Babylonians took their spiritistic practices with them and formed polytheistic religious cultures in various regions, some of which exist today. I believe in the supernatural explanation and in the spirit realm. Although spiritually I'm weak at this time, I've obtained tangible evidence for God. I've never gone in this direction, but tangible evidence for evil spirits is obtained through occult channels, ideally Black Magic (the Dark Arts).
read the account of moses taking the credit for the water provision miracle and that of king david's folly and his consequences.. ...read them.... ...you are still reading.... ...ok now you have that fresh in your mind.. jehovah had a correctional arrangement in place for all his spokesmen.
story of jonah would work great too.
the point being that in the bible god has always had this correctional arrangement for the leaders of his earthly organization.. that being said, where did that arrangement go?
"Don't feed the apoligetics (trolls)
Do you really NEED them to make you defend yourself? If you do, by all means GO BACK!
Otherwise, fuck 'em!"
Based on this here, I can do the same and have nothing to apologize for, and I never will.
read the account of moses taking the credit for the water provision miracle and that of king david's folly and his consequences.. ...read them.... ...you are still reading.... ...ok now you have that fresh in your mind.. jehovah had a correctional arrangement in place for all his spokesmen.
story of jonah would work great too.
the point being that in the bible god has always had this correctional arrangement for the leaders of his earthly organization.. that being said, where did that arrangement go?
“shame on you alice, for taking peoples pain and using it for your play ground.”
There's no pain that can come from Jehovah's Organization itself. There's nothing you can get disfellowshipped for that isn't harmful to yourself and others. You can suffer injury from someone in the Organization, but that says there is something wrong with that one person, not the organization. I've never seen that hurt feelings caused by someone is treated lightly in any congregation.
read the account of moses taking the credit for the water provision miracle and that of king david's folly and his consequences.. ...read them.... ...you are still reading.... ...ok now you have that fresh in your mind.. jehovah had a correctional arrangement in place for all his spokesmen.
story of jonah would work great too.
the point being that in the bible god has always had this correctional arrangement for the leaders of his earthly organization.. that being said, where did that arrangement go?
" Why do you even bother to post things,that are so easily proven to be wrong? "
because she takes this site as a joke, she doesn't care if it help people who need to talk,
she's just here to rile people up who really need to express themselves, shame on you alice,
for taking peoples pain and using it for your play groung."
I only respond negatively to those that direct derogatory statements to me: gubberningbody, OUTLAW, palmtree67. And what makes things worse (as this thread amply proves) is despite their accusations they're drones void of contributing anything useful or intriguing, whose only response to a challenge is unrelated gibberish, a random picture or an untreatable persecution complex. While I may disagree with some, I can at least say that they can clearly think for themselves, and can defend themselves. The a fore mentioned on the other hand do nothing but muck up the forum with useless rubbish, like receiving spam email.
read the account of moses taking the credit for the water provision miracle and that of king david's folly and his consequences.. ...read them.... ...you are still reading.... ...ok now you have that fresh in your mind.. jehovah had a correctional arrangement in place for all his spokesmen.
story of jonah would work great too.
the point being that in the bible god has always had this correctional arrangement for the leaders of his earthly organization.. that being said, where did that arrangement go?
"Figgin,
It seems to me that she doesn't actually have any answers for you. She has ignored you over and over (which is rude),"
Direct this to the dysfunctional “attention whores” that initiate cyber-drama. It's "rude" among other things. The fact that they direct such a label to me is an indicator of cognitive dysfunction.
read the account of moses taking the credit for the water provision miracle and that of king david's folly and his consequences.. ...read them.... ...you are still reading.... ...ok now you have that fresh in your mind.. jehovah had a correctional arrangement in place for all his spokesmen.
story of jonah would work great too.
the point being that in the bible god has always had this correctional arrangement for the leaders of his earthly organization.. that being said, where did that arrangement go?
"-Why does the WT spend time teaching "iffy" points instead on focusing primarilly on what matters... Jesus' message.
ie: Jesus died on a cross or stake, Millions now living will never die, 1914."
Jehovah's Witnesses don't spend that much time teaching whether Jesus died on a cross or a stake nor does the overall theme of the Bible revolve around the date 1914. This was stated in 1909:
http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/docs/1909_Watch_Tower.pdf
Wt 1909, Dec 15
While our faith and hopes would be equally clear and logical whether this age ends in October, 1914, or a century later, nevertheless our expectation that "Gentile Times" will conclude October, 1914, undoubtedly has a stimulating effect upon our hearts and influences all of life's interests and helps to "wean" us from earthly joys and ambitions and to set our affections on things above!
It's actually opposers that are obsessively focused on the 1914 prophecy in an effort to disrupt the harmonious theme in the Bible and a time-line without contradictions, showing the fulfillment of every prophecy.
I've already stated this but it doesn't really matter whether Jesus died on a stake or a cross in itself. The only reason Jehovah's Witnesses have taken issue with this is because there is evidence the cross was derived from polytheistic religions as are many Medieval Christain teachings.
How Pagans Influenced Religion of Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgQq_LeIP88
w57 3/15 pp. 166-167 Did Christ Die on a Cross?
OF PAGAN ORIGIN
Clearly there is no Scriptural support for the traditional cross as a symbol of Christianity. Then how can its adoption by professed Christians be accounted for? It was borrowed from the surrounding pagans. It is another one of the many paganisms that the early apostate Christians adopted so as to appeal to the pagans and to be more like them. In this they followed the example of the Israelites who wanted a king so as to be like the nations round about. Thus Dr. Killen, in his Ancient Church, writes:
“From the most remote antiquity the cross was venerated in Egypt and Syria; it was held in equal honor by the Buddhists of the East; and what is still more extraordinary, when the Spaniards first visited America, the well-known sign was found among the objects of worship in the idol temples of Anáhuac. It is also remarkable that, with the commencement of our era, the pagans were wont to make the sign of the cross upon the forehead in the celebration of some of their sacred mysteries.”
The Catholic Encyclopedia gives similar information about the widespread use of the cross. Dr. Hislop, in The Two Babylons, likewise tells of the pagan origin of the cross and questions that Christ died on one. The very fact that the cross is one of the most common of all pagan religious symbols should make us doubt that it could also be the symbol of the pure Christian worship of Jehovah God.
There's nothing to suggest Jehovah's Witnesses spend more time on “iffy” points in the way of printed page or vocally instead on focusing on Jesus' message.
