Posts by lavozsa

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Tomorrows WT Study

by lavozsa in

does anyone have the study article for tomorrow's wt study.

i'd like to disect it for my jw wife to show her how the kool aid is flowing regarding the older ones losing faith..

Tomorrows WT Study

by lavozsa in

does anyone have the study article for tomorrow's wt study.

i'd like to disect it for my jw wife to show her how the kool aid is flowing regarding the older ones losing faith..

lavozsa

Does anyone have the study article for tomorrow's WT study. I'd like to disect it for my JW wife to show her how the Kool Aid is flowing regarding the older ones losing faith.

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DMCA Complaint from The WatchTower for links to KS-10 'Shepherding' book

by Simon in

yes, that's right, they really do not like people being able to read that book so they wanted links to it removed (it appears they have also been going after the hosts of the content itself as well).. unfortunately, i had to removed the links (which were dead anyway when i checked) and i'd ask that people don't re-post them (sorry).

i'm sure there are lots of alternative ways for those with the information to get it to those who need it.. here are the discussions on the book:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200524/1/ks10-chapter-one-discussion.

lavozsa

Same here. Can you PM me either the link or pdf of the book.

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JW Ministerial Servant sentence to 14 years for child porn

by lavozsa in

my wife grew up with this family in her congregation so she was very familiar with them all.

the person in the story that was sentenced was born into the "truth" and was a ministerial servant at the time of his arrest.

his mother was a regular pioneer, father an elder and sister also a pioneer.

lavozsa

My wife grew up with this family in her congregation so she was very familiar with them all. The person in the story that was sentenced was born into the "truth" and was a ministerial servant at the time of his arrest. His mother was a regular pioneer, father an elder and sister also a pioneer. In the last 8 years, the father had an affair, been disfellowshipped but has been reinstated. His sister had an affair, child out of wedlock, but has been reinstated again. And now, this person has been sentenced for solicitation of a minor and child pornography. To meet them all you would think they were all so spiritual and holy, but so many JWs put up such a front. It sad to hear about someone you know going to jail, but it is even more sad to think about those parents who let their children hang out with this person not knowing if he did something to them.

http://www.justice.gov/usao/txs/releases/September%202010/092210%20Garcia.htm

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Info For Newbies and Current Jehovah's Witnesses! Please Read!

by mentallyfree31 in

example: gravity is real.

because if 607 bce is wrong, then so is 1914 and 1918 and 1919. very simple.

so if we cannot trust secular research, then we can definitely discard the date of 607 bce.

lavozsa

Awsome Post! I love how you touched on all of the key "hot" topics that the GB tries to guilt people into believing.

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I like the people in my Kingdom Hall!

by lavozsa in

this may sound like a funny title, but it is actually true.

just to give a brief background on myself, i've been a jw for nearly 12 years now.

i didn't grow up in a jw family, nor is anyone else in my immediate family a jw (except my wife and her family).

lavozsa

I agree that a gradual fading away is probably the best way to go. Kind of like the analogy I heard in a talk once about how a piece of charcoal away from the stack of coals starts to die out

I'm really hoping my wife will come to the same conclusion as I have.

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I like the people in my Kingdom Hall!

by lavozsa in

this may sound like a funny title, but it is actually true.

just to give a brief background on myself, i've been a jw for nearly 12 years now.

i didn't grow up in a jw family, nor is anyone else in my immediate family a jw (except my wife and her family).

lavozsa

Thanks so much for all of the references. This only speeds up my decision and strengthens my case to show my wife.

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I like the people in my Kingdom Hall!

by lavozsa in

this may sound like a funny title, but it is actually true.

just to give a brief background on myself, i've been a jw for nearly 12 years now.

i didn't grow up in a jw family, nor is anyone else in my immediate family a jw (except my wife and her family).

lavozsa

Thank you all so much for your comments thus far. In my wanting to celebrate my son's birthday, I definitely wouldn't invite an JWs so as to not "stumble" them nor make it a public announcement. I do have several non-JW friends with children of the same age. My ultimate desire is to have my wife see things as clearly as I am now so that she can decide for herself that this is not the "truth" that she has been led to believe. As I mentioned, my wife and I are happily married and the questions and doubts that I have posed over the last couple of years have not led to an major arguments because I've been good about leaving breadcrumbs of information about what is really true. I do think that if she agrees to the B-day party, that will show me that she is coming to the same conclusion as I have. But as I mentioned before, she grew up a JW and it will be difficult, especially with the strong influence her parents have on her. Curiously, of all of her JW friends that she had growing up, only herself and a handful of others are still active. Most have been DF'd and never been back or have been inactive for years and years. With the advent of facebook, she has reconnected with some these ex-friends and I believe is seeing that there is life after the "truth". A real good friend of ours that has been inactive for several years stayed the weekend with us and I expressed to him some of my thoughts and she seemed to be comfortable with the outward expression of my ideas. Though sometimes it's difficult to really say if I think she could find herself breaking free from the control of the society.

Thanks again. Also, can Ray Franz book be found at Barnes and Noble?

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I like the people in my Kingdom Hall!

by lavozsa in

this may sound like a funny title, but it is actually true.

just to give a brief background on myself, i've been a jw for nearly 12 years now.

i didn't grow up in a jw family, nor is anyone else in my immediate family a jw (except my wife and her family).

lavozsa

This may sound like a funny title, but it is actually true. Just to give a brief background on myself, I've been a JW for nearly 12 years now. I didn't grow up in a JW family, nor is anyone else in my immediate family a JW (except my wife and her family). I came in contact with some JW friends back about 13 years ago and studied with an elder and decided that it seemed like everything made sense. I was a non-practicing Catholic, so my bible knowledge was very limited. My family gave me some grief about it initially, but they've come to accept it and our relationships are still very strong. I met my wife 12 years ago at the hall and we've been happily married ever since. She grew up a JW and her parents, especially her mom are very stout JWs.

Fast forward to today. Over the last couple of years, after the birth of our son, I have been taking a much closer look at several key issues; blood, birthdays, the organization and most recently, the "Generation". I've pointed out my findings to my wife (who is very open minded, but yet has had the "truth" imbedded into her her entire life) and she has suggested I talk to the elders. I have had many talks with my elders and they have been completely honest with me and admitted that the society has been wrong on several issues but that there is a refinement of knowledge as the end draws near. I've pointed out the "generation" issue and research to my wife and she is slowly starting to come around that the society is trying to cover their behind with the modification of some of their core beliefs. I even pointed out to her at a meeting a couple of weeks ago how the society in the Watchtower study article changed the reference to Rutherford's talk "Millions now living WILL never die" to "Millions now living MAY never die". I think that she was a bit surprised at that. We're both in good standing with the congregation and attend meetings about 50% of the time due to our busy schedules but I have not gone out door to door for over a year now because of the hypocrisy of the message.

My dilemna is that I have come to realize how the society will bend their teachings to not have to come out and say that they are wrong and that millions of people have been mislead for so many years, but yet, I really do enjoy the friendships of the people at the hall, including the elders. The people in my hall and the elders are very up to date with their thinking and handling of situations, which differs greatly from the people and elders at my in-laws hall. They know I haven't been out in service for over a year and do occassionally invite me to work with them or informally try and give some words of encouragement at informal meetings, but they are never persistent nor over bearing in their attempts.

I would like to get some opinions of whether I should ease my way out, or just keep on going with the understanding with the elders and my wife that I don't agree with the society on several key points, not going out in service and that we'll be celebrating my son's next birthday? I know that my wife is starting to see my point, but I think that she fears a some backlash from her parents as well as not knowing how to let go of something that has been so dear to her for so many years. She was a full time pioneer for 6 years before we were married. We're both in our mid 30's now. I know that some may say to make a clean break, but as I mentioned, we have some close relationships with friends in the hall who know my arguments and may even secretly agree with me. We do have several friends who are not JWs and know that we are, but don't think anything of it because we never press or preach the "truth" to them, so they probably think that most JWs are as easy going as we are. Don't get me wrong, we don't smoke and don't get crazy partying, but we do drink in social settings, watch R rated movies and in general have a appreciation and respect for other people and their beliefs. This is my dilemna.

Any advice or comments would be welcomed :)