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My Lord spoke and told me to post

by watersprout in

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my lord spoke to me for the first time yesterday and this morning he told me to post my experience.. i know there are going to be ones who will call me names and thats ok. i will accept whatever you feel you need to say.. here goes.

i heard a voice calling ''my child'', this happened while at the zoo so i was taken off guard!

i replied ''who is this?

SweetBabyCheezits

BTTT for Inkie...

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New Awake: Is Atheism on the March? (Ironically, WTS complains that Atheists should keep it to themselves)

by Elsewhere in

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https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/g_e_201011.pdf.

the article begins with:.

"a new group of atheists has arisen in society.

SweetBabyCheezits

My mom called me this weekend to ask if I would mind reading that Awake. (I explained to her that I'm more of an agnostic but it's all the same to her.)

Fitting pic, BD.

Also, I've always thought it was funny how some JWs think that the WT and AW are on top of current events. Even as a JW, it seemed to me they were always a year or more behind and simply following other news reports.

For example, this article would've been more "timely" had it been published in 2007 after both The God Delusion and God is Not Great hit shelves. CNN ran a similar article in Nov 2006. Ooooh, maybe they are the ones who provide the "meat in due season".

The rise of the 'New Atheists'

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My Lord spoke and told me to post

by watersprout in

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my lord spoke to me for the first time yesterday and this morning he told me to post my experience.. i know there are going to be ones who will call me names and thats ok. i will accept whatever you feel you need to say.. here goes.

i heard a voice calling ''my child'', this happened while at the zoo so i was taken off guard!

i replied ''who is this?

SweetBabyCheezits

My "Lord" is Logic and Reason. We have a progressive relationship. He speaks to me regularly, though some days I might not hear him. He tries to speak to others and occasionally will speak through some of his followers, like me. But many still fail to listen as they are distracted and misled by his nemesis, the powerful Lack of Critical Thinking. LOCT spreads lies and misinformation and has a stranglehold on the majority of humankind.

WAIT! JUST NOW MY LORD TOLD ME that those who refuse to believe in and follow him 100% are not worthy of him, therefore I should stop posting on this thread! He says my time would be better spent elsewhere.

While I did lapse into sarcasm here at the end, I still hope the best for you folks who hear voices and, again, it seems a visit with a counselor is the best way to move forward.

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My Lord spoke and told me to post

by watersprout in

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my lord spoke to me for the first time yesterday and this morning he told me to post my experience.. i know there are going to be ones who will call me names and thats ok. i will accept whatever you feel you need to say.. here goes.

i heard a voice calling ''my child'', this happened while at the zoo so i was taken off guard!

i replied ''who is this?

SweetBabyCheezits

Me: You're right, I didn't really mean murder.

Inkie: Exactly! I knew that;

Me: Genocide would be a more accurate term... like when he issued the command to exterminate the Canaanites,

Inkie, when I said I didn't mean "murder" but then went on to clarify as "genocide", I was elaborating on the murder theme. Didn't think that was too subtle. I wasn't recanting my view. Genocide goes far beyond a single murder, doesn't it?

Inkie: Why don't you damn them? No, we damn God but not the governments. How ridiculous is that!

First of all, you can't possibly know whether I damn the government or not. If you're going to make any assumptions to illustrate a point, please at least base them on a subject I've discussed.

Second, I should clarify that I don't damn the god of the bible for killing the Caananites any more than I damn the tooth fairy for my lack of childhood savings.

The genocidal tendencies of god (a reputation ascribed to him in the OT if you read it without bias) hardly reflects a god of love, in my opinion. To me, the god of the bible is a man-made character, complete with all the traits of imperfect humans (jealousy, rage, regret, etc...) and acts of fiction (a talking snake, talking donkey, origin of the rainbow, Jonah & big fish, Joshua's 'sun stand still!', Samson's hair, virgin conception, etc..)

Had you and I not been subjected to a Christian-biased culture, which influenced us to accept the bible as literal, I suspect we would have regarded it as a collection of myths early on.

Whether life was originally created by a supernatural spirit being, I can't claim to know. But I can eliminate the possibility of gods whose descriptions/actions are self-contradictory and violate logic. From my point of view, the god of the bible is such an example. By the same token that JW's use logic to know that a "god of love" belief is incongruent with the burning hell doctrine, some of us use logic to know that a truly loving 'father' wouldn't have such a bloodstained record of violence. I agree with this guy:

"The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery." -Robert Heinlein

And with all due respect, your "WHY" has a big hole in it that your Lord, apparently in haste, failed to mention to you...

Inkie: And if the WHY doesn't matter to you (or others) then we should just let ALL CRIMINALS out of prisons--really--truthfully. You have NO BASIS to stand on if that is your take. In all likelihood, the criminals in prisons today have done the same or similar things as the people in ancient Canaan. According to those on this Board who object to Jah's instructions against Canaan, you may as well let all the criminals out of their prisons.

Why not temper your statements with "I believe" and "here's my opinion"? They're much more forgiving phrases if you turn out to be wrong. (Trust me, I know. I hate eating humble pie, even though its still a regular meal for me.) Fortunately, I don't have the added pressure of having been given special knowledge by My Lord that requires me to be right, even when I'm not.

"NO BASIS"? Think about what you're saying. Was every Canaanite deserving of the same death sentence, women and children included? So let's go back to your WHY..... WHY did they deserve it? For being born into the wrong family? Based on your foregoing argument, criminals today should be indiscriminately put to death along with their wives and kids. So yeah, WHY is a great question.

Inkie: Ah, yes--the "real issue." SBC, you are mistaken (again) here. I'm sorry to point it out, SBC, the "folks on here are hearing voices" not from God. From the Savior (Jaheshua/Jesus), God's spokesperson or "Word," yes, but not from God.

I must concede... I was wrong as to exactly which disprovable spirit being was speaking to you.

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Ok Hearing Voices..... Terry I might need your help LOL

by Darth plaugeis in

ok. so your a christian.... you love the bible.. damn you live your life by this book right?

serpent or satan????.

the serpent was cursed and many believe the snake had legs at the garden of eden.... and part of the curse was to crawl on it's belly.. so again .....what did the snake do wrong???.

SweetBabyCheezits

Have you guys read The God Delusion?

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My Lord spoke and told me to post

by watersprout in

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my lord spoke to me for the first time yesterday and this morning he told me to post my experience.. i know there are going to be ones who will call me names and thats ok. i will accept whatever you feel you need to say.. here goes.

i heard a voice calling ''my child'', this happened while at the zoo so i was taken off guard!

i replied ''who is this?

SweetBabyCheezits

WS: Please accept my apology, i misread your post!

No problem, Watersprout. I do the same thing, and can see how it might be mistaken.

Inkie: Let me ask you, cannot the actions of One (God, or a man, or a woman) be considered an overall “pattern” of the kinds of things He would or would not do? Do you know what I mean? While a person may do a thing one time, it CAN be included in the PERSON’S general overall pattern of things, can it not?

I absolutely agree.

God does not and has not ordered any “murder.” Did you really mean to state that He did? Did a "murder" occur? He would be transgressing one of His own ten commandments, wouldn’t he? And I am speaking of the word YOU used—“murder.”

You're right, I didn't really mean murder. Genocide would be a more accurate term... like when he issued the command to exterminate the Canaanites, including the women and children? That was no simple test of faith. Correct me if I'm wrong but it was carried out as god directed, wasn't it? (And I'm aware of the rationalization that it was part of god's purpose to ensure the "seed" could come through Abraham's line.... Even though, as the story goes, Jesus received absolutely no DNA from Joseph, the actual descendant of Abe. Right? Another topic.)

The shedding of blood in the OT - to me - shows a clear pattern that god will even take the lives of children, whose only real sin was being born into the wrong family (damn them!), in order to clear His good name of reproach.

Such being the case, if he really is speaking to people in our modern era, who's to say he wouldn't order the death of one more person? Based on god's pattern in the OT, that would be par for the course. So it is safe to say one cannot know god is the source of any voice based on the content of the message being "love".

But all that is moot. The real issue? A number of folks on here are hearing voices, believing the messages to be from the Lord God and Savior of all Creation, and several other members of this forum do not see it as any cause for concern.

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For Tammy (Tec) - scrutinizing 'revealed' scriptural understanding

by SweetBabyCheezits in

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continuing darth's thread i unintentionally hijacked (sorry, again).... .

tec: um... just in case some of that was directed at me (and if not, i apologize),.

tammy, my comment wasn't directed specifically at you but, in general, at anyone who hastily buys into claims of 'revealed' scriptural understanding without scrutinizing them as carefully as we would wt doctrine.

SweetBabyCheezits

Okay, will do. Thanks to both.

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For Tammy (Tec) - scrutinizing 'revealed' scriptural understanding

by SweetBabyCheezits in

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continuing darth's thread i unintentionally hijacked (sorry, again).... .

tec: um... just in case some of that was directed at me (and if not, i apologize),.

tammy, my comment wasn't directed specifically at you but, in general, at anyone who hastily buys into claims of 'revealed' scriptural understanding without scrutinizing them as carefully as we would wt doctrine.

SweetBabyCheezits

Continuing Darth's thread I unintentionally hijacked (sorry, again)...

TEC: Um... just in case some of that was directed at me (and if not, I apologize),

Tammy, my comment wasn't directed specifically at you but, in general, at anyone who hastily buys into claims of 'revealed' scriptural understanding without scrutinizing them as carefully as we would WT doctrine. It was kind of an "if the shoe fits" comment. I only want to encourage critical thinking as a defense against misinformation.

Honestly, you seem like a genuinely nice person who has faith but doesn't dogmatically demand everyone else share it. I admire that. But that also makes it frustrating to see nice people opening themselves up to extraordinary claims with no supporting evidence.

I follow no one except Christ, himself. My faith is in Him, and not in man.

I follow no one except Christ, himself. My faith is in Him, and not in man. I did learn from my experience.

I know that's how you feel but for the sake of logical discussion, if you've never personally had a two-way conversation with Christ, how did you first hear about him so that you could develop a relationship?

If you refuse to put faith in man first, then you cannot have faith in Christ. Do you agree? If so, what caused you to put faith in man (which led to faith in Christ)?

I'm not trying to bash your faith, just encouraging a deeper analysis. You can ignore those questions but I would genuinely like to hear from those who still have faith if they recognize what this means at the most fundamental level. For thirty years, I never did.

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Ok Hearing Voices..... Terry I might need your help LOL

by Darth plaugeis in

ok. so your a christian.... you love the bible.. damn you live your life by this book right?

serpent or satan????.

the serpent was cursed and many believe the snake had legs at the garden of eden.... and part of the curse was to crawl on it's belly.. so again .....what did the snake do wrong???.

SweetBabyCheezits

I just realized I'm kinda hijacking the thread here so, Tammy (Tec), I'll start a new post to see if I can get your input. Sorry, Darth!

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Typical JW question: "Well, what ELSE is there?"

by SweetBabyCheezits in

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this has been posed to me a number of times since i've defected and expressed doubt in the bible.

(well, started defecting.

er, that just sounds nasty.

SweetBabyCheezits

Thanks for the replies, everyone. Some excellent responses there!

Just to reiterate (since my title may be misleading), this question is not the more common, "Whom shall we go away to?", but is directed more at my disbelief of the bible itself and a general disdain for organized religion: "If you don't believe the bible, what hope DO you have? How can you live your life thinking this is all there is?"

I could say my "hope" is that by some surprise the unknowable is better than, well, simple nonexistence. But I have absolutely no reason to place all my chips on that hope. Nor am I distraught over the fact that this life may be it. If anything it makes me want to use my time as wisely as possible and do my part to leave the earth a better place.

Is that a purpose? I feel like it is. In fact, I believe part of our obligation is to find a way to encourage critical thinking in young people so as to head off the spreading of misinformation. Starting with my own children, that's what I'm doing.