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  HELP REQUEST - Judicial Committee Hearing tonight!

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

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  i hate to ask you good folks to jump around but the first post in the thread below explains why i'm going into the jc meeting, hence the basis for my questions below.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/198636/1/reply-to-judicial-committee-question-thenoblelodge.

  i have no idea how to present my witnesses.

  they've already agreed to show up.

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  sir82: Nor will you be allowed to take notes.

  Aside from that thought, your comments make sense. But there's nothing in the elder's handbook that states notes are not allowed and I also specifically asked if I could. They said yes.

  I wouldn't be surprised if laptops are off limits but I'm looking for either a personal experience stating such OR I'd like to hear from an elder who has current notes in his manual specifying laptops are not allowed. It's not that I don't appreciate your reply, Sir82, but if you're adamant (yet wrong) about taking notes, I have to wonder if you have your facts straight on the laptop as well. No offense, I'm just trying to get all my ducks in a row.

  A judicial committee is very much a "strutting macho display" for typical elders - it's a chance to demonstrate their control and power. If you are less than than sniveling, groveling, and compliant, they will go rough on you.

  While I disagree with the action being taken and the WTBTS judicial system in general, I have a hard time believing hasty generalizations of any type. I know two of the elders in this case pretty well and this isn't something they're enjoying. Their perception is skewed and they believe they're right, I'm wrong, and God wants them to punish me and protect the congregation. I disagree, obviously, but I realize that is their motivation. Plus, my issue isn't with individuals at my old hall but with the Society itself.

  Having said all that, I may feel totally different tomorrow.
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  HELP REQUEST - Judicial Committee Hearing tonight!

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

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  i hate to ask you good folks to jump around but the first post in the thread below explains why i'm going into the jc meeting, hence the basis for my questions below.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/198636/1/reply-to-judicial-committee-question-thenoblelodge.

  i have no idea how to present my witnesses.

  they've already agreed to show up.

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  OTWO: This is not your show to run. They will refuse to let them testify.

  Not my show, no, but I was told I could have my own witnesses. Granted, when I specified who and why, they acted like it wouldn't be necessary. But they didn't refuse to let them enter the hall. I suspect, though, that they won't WANT them involved.

  Either way, I'm asking the guys to show up. If the elders somehow skirt around my use of witness testimony, then at least my witnesses were on location and aware that their testimony was rejected before being given. I think that could have an even greater affect on them, which is the whole point of my cooperation with this circus anyway.
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  HELP REQUEST - Judicial Committee Hearing tonight!

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i hate to ask you good folks to jump around but the first post in the thread below explains why i'm going into the jc meeting, hence the basis for my questions below.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/198636/1/reply-to-judicial-committee-question-thenoblelodge.

  i have no idea how to present my witnesses.

  they've already agreed to show up.

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  Also, has anyone ever taken a laptop to a JC? I'd like to take mine for two reasons: First, i'll have access to the WT Lib on CD and if questions regarding my lack of faith arise, I can point out contradictions in print. Second, I'm much faster at typing than writing and I want to create a near-manuscript of the whole thing.

  It is infuriating that they won't allow recording devices. That said, I plan on sneaking one in anyway.
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  HELP REQUEST - Judicial Committee Hearing tonight!

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

  1. jw
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  i hate to ask you good folks to jump around but the first post in the thread below explains why i'm going into the jc meeting, hence the basis for my questions below.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/198636/1/reply-to-judicial-committee-question-thenoblelodge.

  i have no idea how to present my witnesses.

  they've already agreed to show up.

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  I hate to ask you good folks to jump around but the first post in the thread below explains why I'm going into the JC meeting, hence the basis for my questions below...

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/198636/1/Reply-to-Judicial-Committee-question-thenoblelodge

  I have no idea how to present my witnesses. They've already agreed to show up. Do I just call them forward at the very beginning, come in and testify that I refused to discuss my doubts with them? Will I be able to ask them questions or are the elders only allowed to do that?

  What if the elders try to refuse to let them testify? I wouldn't be surprised if that happened since one of the elders told me that I was guilty of "standing away from Jehovah" because of simply HOLDING different views than the Society teaches. So it sounds like they're hanging me without my emails to my parents.

  All I really want is for those few old friends to be aware that I'm being disfellowshipped for emailing my parents about my beliefs that aren't in harmony with the WTBTS. The sooner they are able to see that this is a control-driven cult, the better for them.
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  Reply to Judicial Committee question @thenoblelodge

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

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  me: right now, i'm less than 48hrs away from a jc hearing in which i will likely be df'd for apostasy.. .

  tnb: do you feel the wtbts has any power or hold on you, if not why attend a jc.

  you don't have to attend, unless of course you have information you want to point out to them.

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  LG: It saves you the headache of dealing with a kangaroo court where the outcome is predetermined before you set foot in the door.

  That's true, LostGen, and I will be sending letters to certain old friends regardless of how this turns out. But there's an even better opportunity if I make a personal sacrifice and go ahead with the hearing. I explained it in my original post:

  That said, I've got five friends who are aware of the charges against me and if I go through with the JC and get DF'd, it may open their eyes to reality. Otherwise, I'd just DA. These friends have agreed to testify that when I was asked in a group setting why I showed signs of declining faith, I refused to share my specific doubts. I made it clear I didn't want to suffer the consequences of discussing it. They understood. So for them to see that I'm being DF'd for holding different views and just confiding in my parents.... it may offer a better perspective of what this organization is really about: control.

  So, again, if I just bail on the meeting, my friends won't personally see the injustice committed. To me that will be a much greater impact than a letter alone.
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  Reply to Judicial Committee question @thenoblelodge

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

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  me: right now, i'm less than 48hrs away from a jc hearing in which i will likely be df'd for apostasy.. .

  tnb: do you feel the wtbts has any power or hold on you, if not why attend a jc.

  you don't have to attend, unless of course you have information you want to point out to them.

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  Thanks for the encouragement all.

  @ssn587, I should mention I'm in my 30s and married with children. The part about me being indoctrinated by my parents for 18 years was regarding my childhood. I'm not much on shunning or being shunned but I have a hard time holding it against my dad. I blame the organizational policies. But, yeah, it makes me bitter nonetheless. The stigma that goes with the JW view of "apostate" exists for a legitimate reason, doesn't it?

  @robson, I'm sorry, I'm a bit confused as to what you're trying to convey. Are you stating your Dad's position or your position?
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  Reply to Judicial Committee question @thenoblelodge

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

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  me: right now, i'm less than 48hrs away from a jc hearing in which i will likely be df'd for apostasy.. .

  tnb: do you feel the wtbts has any power or hold on you, if not why attend a jc.

  you don't have to attend, unless of course you have information you want to point out to them.

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  Me: Right now, I'm less than 48hrs away from a JC hearing in which I will likely be DF'd for apostasy.

  TNB: Do you feel the WTBTS has any power or hold on you, if not why attend a JC. You don't have to attend, unless of course you have information you want to point out to them.

  Valid question. I did consider a letter of disassociation but proceeding with a JC gives me an opportunity to expose certain truths to some friends who are still in. That is my only reason for not going the DA route.

  A little background first: I've been charged with apostasy for trying to reason with my parents on specific questions, ergo stating my beliefs. I love my parents but turnabout is fair play, right? They indoctrinated me for 18 years, one would expect the right to at least discuss another perspective that they may not have considered. Wrong. Dad handed over a couple of my emails to the BoE and pushed them to "investigate" me. He's a good man but blinded like the rest.

  That said, I've got five friends who are aware of the charges against me and if I go through with the JC and get DF'd, it may open their eyes to reality. Otherwise, I'd just DA. These friends have agreed to testify that when I was asked in a group setting why I showed signs of declining faith, I refused to share my specific doubts. I made it clear I didn't want to suffer the consequences of discussing it. They understood. So for them to see that I'm being DF'd for holding different views and just confiding in my parents.... it may offer a better perspective of what this organization is really about: control.
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  My Lord spoke and told me to post

  by watersprout in

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  my lord spoke to me for the first time yesterday and this morning he told me to post my experience.. i know there are going to be ones who will call me names and thats ok. i will accept whatever you feel you need to say.. here goes.

  i heard a voice calling ''my child'', this happened while at the zoo so i was taken off guard!

  i replied ''who is this?

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  Thanks for the kind words, tNL. I truly appreciate it. I'll start a new thread to answer the JC question you posed.

  As for Inkie, AGuest, and Watersprout, I apologize for my cutting remarks. My cynicism bleeds through when I see logic yielding to dogma and this week my tolerance is virtually nil.
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  My Lord spoke and told me to post

  by watersprout in

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  my lord spoke to me for the first time yesterday and this morning he told me to post my experience.. i know there are going to be ones who will call me names and thats ok. i will accept whatever you feel you need to say.. here goes.

  i heard a voice calling ''my child'', this happened while at the zoo so i was taken off guard!

  i replied ''who is this?

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  When was I ever biting and cutting with you, SBC? So, from time to time you enjoy making others bleed a little? It satisfies something in you? Frankly, I am still astounded by people on this Board to seem to love to cause others to bleed with their sarcasm. I spoke to you from a place of respect and kindness and sincerity.

  Inkie, it wasn't just a mockery but a hyperbole... in which my frustration came out. FWIW, I try to only say things on this forum that I would say if we were face to face. Considering the conversation I just had with my parents about the WTBTS, I assure you I would be just as vocal in person.

  I'm more cynical than usual this week. Right now, I'm less than 48hrs away from a JC hearing in which I will likely be DF'd for apostasy (aka, thinking independently). I'll be losing most of my family and friends to the Society but I'll have secured the opportunity to teach my kids critical thinking. So it seems such a waste that anyone who escapes a cult like this one and gains the freedom to think... should so quickly surrender it to the delusion of another.

  For me, no belief is sacred. If the supporting evidence is not there, I will not believe it, and I have little patience for those who claim to enjoy special understanding from supernatural deities with zero evidence to prop it up.

  AGuest, there are a few on this board who buy into your "peace to you" "slave of Christ" schtick but I will never be one of them. Jeheshua-whoever is too smarmy for my tastes. I like my mythological gods to be more barbaric and jealous, like Yahweh.
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  New Awake: Is Atheism on the March? (Ironically, WTS complains that Atheists should keep it to themselves)

  by Elsewhere in

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  https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/g_e_201011.pdf.

  the article begins with:.

  "a new group of atheists has arisen in society.

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  Hard to argue Lime's point, eh, Alice?

  AiW: Case in point, I'd be an atheist if it wasn't for Jehovah's Organization.

  Annnd I would probably be a theist if it were not for the Organization. (Nothing like leaving a high control group to make you scrutinize everything.)

  High five, WTBTS!