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  SBCheezits Judicial Hearing - My EPIC FAIL (REPOST for IE users)

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

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  (note: i apologize to the internet explorer users.

  you probably can't see my first epic fail thread because i used firefox to post.

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  Thanks, PD. If it only helps one person recognize the WT for what it really is, it's worth it.
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  Elders on here... what if you were asked to sit on a JC for apostacy?

  by Aussie Oz in

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  i woke up this morning wondering what any elders who frequent this site would do if they were asked to part of a judicial commitee to disfellowship an apostate.. how would you handle it?.

  has it happened to you?.

  no deep reason why, just wondering!.

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  Stuck: Or if in 1972 I took a liver transplant I would have been DF'd.

  Hey, I brought this up in my JC and the crazy old elder (the one who claimed all the biblical flood victims would all be resurrected) says it was never a DF'ing offense. I told him that it appeared to be pretty cut and dried, equating it with cannibalism. He said, "yeah, but they wouldn't disfellowship you for it." I asked if they would disfellowship you for cannibalism and he said yeah but those are two different things. Perfect circle, see?

  I need to look that up and see. Don't mean to hijack, but if anyone has a personal experience with transplants prior to 1980 as a JW, I'd like to hear it.
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  SBCheezits Judicial Hearing - My EPIC FAIL (REPOST for IE users)

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

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  (note: i apologize to the internet explorer users.

  you probably can't see my first epic fail thread because i used firefox to post.

  there's still some kind of glitch between a plugin i'm running, firefox posts, and ie.).

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  PD: It's pointless (imho) to attend just to lie to their questions and record their responses.

  PrimateDave, your comment doesn't seem harsh, it just seems like you didn't read the whole thread before commenting.... [or] you skimmed through and missed some important points. It's okay, I do that, too. But I had a primary objective for attending that you don't address above.
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  Did You Sit for the National Anthem?

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  i never understood the convoluted "reasoning" on standing for the pledge of allegiance but sitting for the national anthem .... your thoughts or experiences, please.. thank you.. cc.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/198711/1/i-will-sit-no-more-forever.

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  As a true JW, if I was sitting when it started, I'd lay (lie) down. Never would we want anyone to think we're conforming to their acts of patriotic fervor!

  J/k!

  To me sit stand whatever I don't feel attached to the land of my birth I don't get dewy eyed over the national anthem I realize the man who wrote it was highly motivated by events in his time in history. That was something for him but govenments will do what they may but I won't be singing about it.

  "I like the way you talk." (Slingblade)

  Especially now, I have a distaste for doing anything out of tradition or custom alone. Reason motivates me. (I hope.)
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  SBCheezits Judicial Hearing - My EPIC FAIL (REPOST for IE users)

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

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  (note: i apologize to the internet explorer users.

  you probably can't see my first epic fail thread because i used firefox to post.

  there's still some kind of glitch between a plugin i'm running, firefox posts, and ie.).

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  HC: you feel bad about recording your OWN trial?

  No, not at all. I feel it's a shame I had to resort to deception to ensure my rights, but the shame is on the WTBTS. I have no regrets about my act of recording the hearing. I only feel bad that I had to be deceptive with a man I respect as a person - the chairman. In my opinion, he's still a good guy who sincerely cares about my family.

  My feeling is more "I really hate that it had to be this way", instead of "I screwed up and I shouldn't have done that".

  You and I well know the right to a fair trial should include an accurate record of the hearing. Unfortunately, the WT has no bill of rights to provide that "luxury". And yet you won't see that in the next Come be a JW book.
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  SBCheezits Judicial Hearing - My EPIC FAIL (REPOST for IE users)

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

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  (note: i apologize to the internet explorer users.

  you probably can't see my first epic fail thread because i used firefox to post.

  there's still some kind of glitch between a plugin i'm running, firefox posts, and ie.).

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  BD, I hadn't planned on it but I'm going to wait until I hear from the JC before making any decision.
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  SBCheezits Judicial Hearing - My EPIC FAIL (REPOST for IE users)

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

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  (note: i apologize to the internet explorer users.

  you probably can't see my first epic fail thread because i used firefox to post.

  there's still some kind of glitch between a plugin i'm running, firefox posts, and ie.).

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  DH: Before you get legally entangled I would double-check what the wire-tapping laws are like in your jurisdiction.

  Yeah, and I didn't explain myself very well: When I ask if legal action could be pursued, I mean hypothetically. I'm just wondering if the WT attorneys have to consider that possibility. I have no intention of going that route whatsoever but would like to see a 4-6 week delay while they figure out how to proceed.

  SBC: If nothing else, they acted hastily and complicated the matter for themselves because now they will HAVE to report that fact to the branch and/or CO. If they stepped over the legal line by touching my personal effects, this could end up working in our favor.

  UC: Not really. You subjected yourself to their tribunal. You were told no recording devices. You left one out in the open and were out of the room when it was discovered.

  By saying "this could end up working in our favor" I mean that it may give us the delay in judgment that we needed, not that we'd get out of a DF ruling entirely. I'm guessing right now that they ARE having to ask for further direction from the higher-ups, especially since it's taking so long. In that case, despite the fact that I got busted for the recording, my goal may be achieved. It was worth the risk.
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  SBCheezits Judicial Hearing - My EPIC FAIL (REPOST for IE users)

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

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  (note: i apologize to the internet explorer users.

  you probably can't see my first epic fail thread because i used firefox to post.

  there's still some kind of glitch between a plugin i'm running, firefox posts, and ie.).

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  Trueone: Never really got it clear why you wanted to record the event anyway, seems like simple notes would have sufficed wouldn't it?

  No. Notes are insufficient evidence when you're misquoted. I wanted an accurate, reproducible record. Also, if anything ludicrous is said, I want the option to share that with JW friends who my be skeptical that an injustice has been committed. Notes don't cut it.

  That reminds me, though.... for a very brief period, I failed to maintain the "we have doubts" position and drifted into a discussion of god slaughtering children in the OT. (I know, my mistake!) During that time, I mentioned the account of Elisha calling down evil upon the jeering children, 42 of which were 'torn to pieces', and told them that it raised doubts in my mind as to how infallible the bible could be if it describes him as a God of love in one place but attributes such bloody retribution to him in so many OT accounts. (Also brought up kids dying in flood, S&G, Caananites, Amalekites, etc...) The elder who misquoted me earlier piped up and said, "Without a doubt, Jehovah is going to resurrect all those he personally killed back then! You've been baptized for over 20 years and you didn't know that??" No, I didn't. In fact, I looked around the room and saw some blank expressions so I asked the others if that was their understanding as well. [crickets]

  I haven't looked this up in the WT Lib yet but I'm wondering if anyone here is familiar with that teaching. Sounded like BS to me. Anyway, that's also on the recording so if he's way off, I'm hoping they'll remember he said that and be even more concerned about it possibly going public.
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  SBCheezits Judicial Hearing - My EPIC FAIL (REPOST for IE users)

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

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  (note: i apologize to the internet explorer users.

  you probably can't see my first epic fail thread because i used firefox to post.

  there's still some kind of glitch between a plugin i'm running, firefox posts, and ie.).

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  You know, I just realized something: the techie elder must have performed a hard reset on my iPhone! That means they didn't just find my iPhone recording and immediately bring it out to me but they attempted to get into it and when they realized it was locked, they held down the power button until the power off slider appeared on the screen. They wanted to shut off the recording! That explains why the Voice Memo app wasn't on the screen when he handed it to me - they rebooted it!

  Does anyone know if there really is legal action that could be pursued for that? Seems kinda petty but..... would that constitute a true invasion or privacy and can you press charges for that?

  If nothing else, they acted hastily and complicated the matter for themselves because now they will HAVE to report that fact to the branch and/or CO. If they stepped over the legal line by touching my personal effects, this could end up working in our favor. Again, it's not that I expected to avoid a DF verdict but we did want to buy a little time.
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  SBCheezits Judicial Hearing - My EPIC FAIL (REPOST for IE users)

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

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  (note: i apologize to the internet explorer users.

  you probably can't see my first epic fail thread because i used firefox to post.

  there's still some kind of glitch between a plugin i'm running, firefox posts, and ie.).

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  Did the whole meeting consist of them asking you about your beliefs? Did they not mention any of the evidence against you? What your parents said, emails and so on?

  Yeah, we were mostly questioned about how we see things now. They didn't really bring up the emails because we'd *more or less* indicated we didn't agree with the WT BS on their first visit. (We were kinda ambushed... and somewhat ignorant to the investigative committee's intent.) That constitutes apostasy - adequate rope for a lynching if necessary. But I still don't think that was their goal.