Posts by SweetBabyCheezits

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My son was murdered today

by truman in

i have been on this site daily, almost from its beginning, since i left the jws in 2001, but i have been more of a reader than a poster, as you can see from my post count.

i know few here know me, although i know many of you through reading your posts.

maybe it is not right to ask for support, when i generally stay quietly in the background of this forum, but i want only to speak a human misery of the deepest kind.

SweetBabyCheezits

My heart goes out to both Anne/Truman and StillThinking. I am so sorry...

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If you don't know what's wrong it can't be fixed

by N.drew in

that is what i heard last night at my yoga class.

she said for something to be fixed first it must become known what needs fixing.

it is true for the physical, but also for the spiritual i believe.

SweetBabyCheezits

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

NDrew: There will be a time that all will realize their contribution to peace (Jesus the Prince of Peace) or their lack of contribution. All will see themselves as heaven sees them. Their true self.

Then there are those of us who will wear our "lack of contribution to Jesus" like a badge of courage, in that we were brave enough to face uncertain reality instead of comforting ourselves with myths and wishful thinking.

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One Lord - One Savior : Get Used To It

by Perry in

jehovah in the old testament and jesus in the new testament are one and the same.. .

3. jehovah is salvation.

5. jehovah wants only himself to be worshipped.

SweetBabyCheezits

This is for Andrew (original at http://www.jhuger.com/kisshank.php) and I'm sure it's been posted on JWN quite a bit in the past but I think it's worth reposting:

This morning there was a knock at my door. When I answered the door I found a well groomed, nicely dressed couple. The man spoke first:

John: "Hi! I'm John, and this is Mary."

Mary: "Hi! We're here to invite you to come kiss Hank's ass with us."

Me: "Pardon me?! What are you talking about? Who's Hank, and why would I want to kiss His ass?"

John: "If you kiss Hank's ass, He'll give you a million dollars; and if you don't, He'll kick the shit out of you."

Me: "What? Is this some sort of bizarre mob shake-down?"

John: "Hank is a billionaire philanthropist. Hank built this town. Hank owns this town. He can do whatever He wants, and what He wants is to give you a million dollars, but He can't until you kiss His ass."

Me: "That doesn't make any sense. Why..."

Mary: "Who are you to question Hank's gift? Don't you want a million dollars? Isn't it worth a little kiss on the ass?"

Me: "Well maybe, if it's legit, but..."

John: "Then come kiss Hank's ass with us."

Me: "Do you kiss Hank's ass often?"

Mary: "Oh yes, all the time..."

Me: "And has He given you a million dollars?"

John: "Well no. You don't actually get the money until you leave town."

Me: "So why don't you just leave town now?"

Mary: "You can't leave until Hank tells you to, or you don't get the money, and He kicks the shit out of you."

Me: "Do you know anyone who kissed Hank's ass, left town, and got the million dollars?"

John: "My mother kissed Hank's ass for years. She left town last year, and I'm sure she got the money."

Me: "Haven't you talked to her since then?"

John: "Of course not, Hank doesn't allow it."

Me: "So what makes you think He'll actually give you the money if you've never talked to anyone who got the money?"

Mary: "Well, He gives you a little bit before you leave. Maybe you'll get a raise, maybe you'll win a small lotto, maybe you'll just find a twenty-dollar bill on the street."

Me: "What's that got to do with Hank?"

John: "Hank has certain 'connections.'"

Me: "I'm sorry, but this sounds like some sort of bizarre con game."

John: "But it's a million dollars, can you really take the chance? And remember, if you don't kiss Hank's ass He'll kick the shit out of you."

Me: "Maybe if I could see Hank, talk to Him, get the details straight from Him..."

Mary: "No one sees Hank, no one talks to Hank."

Me: "Then how do you kiss His ass?"

John: "Sometimes we just blow Him a kiss, and think of His ass. Other times we kiss Karl's ass, and he passes it on."

Me: "Who's Karl?"

Mary: "A friend of ours. He's the one who taught us all about kissing Hank's ass. All we had to do was take him out to dinner a few times."

Me: "And you just took his word for it when he said there was a Hank, that Hank wanted you to kiss His ass, and that Hank would reward you?"

John: "Oh no! Karl has a letter he got from Hank years ago explaining the whole thing. Here's a copy; see for yourself."
From the Desk of Karl

Kiss Hank's ass and He'll give you a million dollars when you leave town.
Use alcohol in moderation.
Kick the shit out of people who aren't like you.
Eat right.
Hank dictated this list Himself.
The moon is made of green cheese.
Everything Hank says is right.
Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.
Don't use alcohol.
Eat your wieners on buns, no condiments.
Kiss Hank's ass or He'll kick the shit out of you.

Me: "This appears to be written on Karl's letterhead."

Mary: "Hank didn't have any paper."

Me: "I have a hunch that if we checked we'd find this is Karl's handwriting."

John: "Of course, Hank dictated it."

Me: "I thought you said no one gets to see Hank?"

Mary: "Not now, but years ago He would talk to some people."

Me: "I thought you said He was a philanthropist. What sort of philanthropist kicks the shit out of people just because they're different?"

Mary: "It's what Hank wants, and Hank's always right."

Me: "How do you figure that?"

Mary: "Item 7 says 'Everything Hank says is right.' That's good enough for me!"

Me: "Maybe your friend Karl just made the whole thing up."

John: "No way! Item 5 says 'Hank dictated this list himself.' Besides, item 2 says 'Use alcohol in moderation,' Item 4 says 'Eat right,' and item 8 says 'Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.' Everyone knows those things are right, so the rest must be true, too."

Me: "But 9 says 'Don't use alcohol.' which doesn't quite go with item 2, and 6 says 'The moon is made of green cheese,' which is just plain wrong."

John: "There's no contradiction between 9 and 2, 9 just clarifies 2. As far as 6 goes, you've never been to the moon, so you can't say for sure."

Me: "Scientists have pretty firmly established that the moon is made of rock..."

Mary: "But they don't know if the rock came from the Earth, or from out of space, so it could just as easily be green cheese."

Me: "I'm not really an expert, but I think the theory that the Moon was somehow 'captured' by the Earth has been discounted*. Besides, not knowing where the rock came from doesn't make it cheese."

John: "Ha! You just admitted that scientists make mistakes, but we know Hank is always right!"

Me: "We do?"

Mary: "Of course we do, Item 7 says so."

Me: "You're saying Hank's always right because the list says so, the list is right because Hank dictated it, and we know that Hank dictated it because the list says so. That's circular logic, no different than saying 'Hank's right because He says He's right.'"

John: "Now you're getting it! It's so rewarding to see someone come around to Hank's way of thinking."

Me: "But...oh, never mind. What's the deal with wieners?"

Mary: She blushes.

John: "Wieners, in buns, no condiments. It's Hank's way. Anything else is wrong."

Me: "What if I don't have a bun?"

John: "No bun, no wiener. A wiener without a bun is wrong."

Me: "No relish? No Mustard?"

Mary: She looks positively stricken.

John: He's shouting. "There's no need for such language! Condiments of any kind are wrong!"

Me: "So a big pile of sauerkraut with some wieners chopped up in it would be out of the question?"

Mary: Sticks her fingers in her ears."I am not listening to this. La la la, la la, la la la."

John: "That's disgusting. Only some sort of evil deviant would eat that..."

Me: "It's good! I eat it all the time."

Mary: She faints.

John: He catches Mary. "Well, if I'd known you were one of those I wouldn't have wasted my time. When Hank kicks the shit out of you I'll be there, counting my money and laughing. I'll kiss Hank's ass for you, you bunless cut-wienered kraut-eater."

With this, John dragged Mary to their waiting car, and sped off.

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If you don't know what's wrong it can't be fixed

by N.drew in

that is what i heard last night at my yoga class.

she said for something to be fixed first it must become known what needs fixing.

it is true for the physical, but also for the spiritual i believe.

SweetBabyCheezits

She said for something to be fixed first it must become known what needs fixing.

Have you thought about seeing a professional to find out what's wrong?

Revealstion 21:8

From whence did the book of Revealstion come? Is that a cheap knockoff of Revelation?

Speaking of courage, I kinda like this quote about the intellectual counterpart:

Intellectual Courage: Having a consciousness of the need to face and fairly address ideas, beliefs or viewpoints toward which we have strong negative emotions and to which we have not given a serious hearing. This courage is connected with the recognition that ideas considered dangerous or absurd are sometimes rationally justified (in whole or in part) and that conclusions and beliefs inculcated in us are sometimes false or misleading. To determine for ourselves which is which, we must not passively and uncritically "accept" what we have "learned." Intellectual courage comes into play here, because inevitably we will come to see some truth in some ideas considered dangerous and absurd, and distortion or falsity in some ideas strongly held in our social group. We need courage to be true to our own thinking in such circumstances. The penalties for non-conformity can be severe.

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Who is your JWN BAMF?

by okage in

i hope this thread goes somewhere, and i hope i put it in an acceptable category:.

the wts has spent around 130 years in underhanded practices and cult control.

we can all name at least two practices banned by the un as inhumane.. because of the control of information they have within their ranks and their often litigious nature outside of the "compound" walls, every bit of information on here is crucial in ensuring no one who visits jwn falls for the gimmicks and traps the society works to employ.. there are personal experiences that are troublesome and touching through the experience of freedom after years of endurement.

SweetBabyCheezits

Sometimes I think, "if I were a GOD who was simultaneously the epitome of love, mercy, and kindness, yet also prone to violent fits of rage, chaos, and destruction... and I wanted to make my will known to the world, who would I choose to represent me?"

Unfailingly, NDrew appears in a thread and the riddle is solved.

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Questions for Thinkers, Part Deux

by SweetBabyCheezits in

i am blatantly plagiarizing this from a 20th century email that claimed this was an open letter to laura schlessinger.

snopes has the real scoop on it's origins.

i'm sure it's been posted on jwn more than once in years past.

SweetBabyCheezits

Hmm, look at that.... what's that number on your last post, Ndrew? Do you think it's mere coincidence that your 7000th post was on this thread? Does divine numerology mean anything to you? Where you see coincidence, I see providence.

Is your water properly chlorinated?

That is a stupid question, but I'm the only one who thinks so, I'm pretty sure.

C'mon, Nance, in the world of analogies, nothing can be stupid. There's some real substance here, you just have to stick with it and look for it. You can't give up. That's exactly what the dark father would like. You have to KEEP ON looking, just as our Lord God says. Nothing is impossible for Him. Or do you think he couldn't use a non-theist to communicate with his theist followers if he so chose?

So do you filter the waters of your heart? Or just expect them to be free of impurities?

And even if it is, how is the plumbing in your "knowledge building"?

I have no idea!

You tell me knowledge is a building but then you say you don't know if your knowledge building has plumbing? What kind of knowledge building has no means to convey the waters of the heart?

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Questions for Thinkers, Part Deux

by SweetBabyCheezits in

i am blatantly plagiarizing this from a 20th century email that claimed this was an open letter to laura schlessinger.

snopes has the real scoop on it's origins.

i'm sure it's been posted on jwn more than once in years past.

SweetBabyCheezits

Thank you, Nancy, for demonstrating Shack's point in your follow-up post.

The real question that needs to be addressed here: Is your water properly chlorinated? And even if it is, how is the plumbing in your "knowledge building"?

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Questions for Thinkers, Part Deux

by SweetBabyCheezits in

i am blatantly plagiarizing this from a 20th century email that claimed this was an open letter to laura schlessinger.

snopes has the real scoop on it's origins.

i'm sure it's been posted on jwn more than once in years past.

SweetBabyCheezits

Great illustration. Does your "knowledge building" have an elevator, Nance? How about a fire escape? Covered parking?

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Questions for Thinkers, Part Deux

by SweetBabyCheezits in

i am blatantly plagiarizing this from a 20th century email that claimed this was an open letter to laura schlessinger.

snopes has the real scoop on it's origins.

i'm sure it's been posted on jwn more than once in years past.

SweetBabyCheezits

Zoiks speaketh the truth. The unchanging word of Gourd is unchanging.

NDrew: I am not an idiot. Their believing that I am is inaccurate.

What's so wrong with believing things that are inaccurate? Who needs to burden themselves with facts when they can just believe?

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Dan Savage talks about the bible and Christian students flee

by Terry in

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zap2it.comdan savage, bullying and the truth about gays and the biblehuffington post - 42 minutes agodan savage, bullying and the truth about gays and the bible... walked out of dan's speech the moment he began talking about the parts of the ...

SweetBabyCheezits

Nevermind his message, you guys are missing the real issue here. I'd wager those bigots were judging him based on his skin color.

"Oh, great, now the grays want equal rights, too," says Jenny, age 16.