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  Modesty VS Faith

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

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  modesty asks us to recognize our limitations.

  faith demands that we know the unknowable.. pick one..

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  Okay, I should mention I'm not bashing faith but I am trying to sort out some thoughts that are in my head and I do need some perspective from those who have faith. But please don't use loopholes or dilute how you feel. I'm not trying to lynch any Christians.
  
  I've allowed far too much variance for interpretation of the word know so let me specify, again... I'm referring to the relative sense. For example, my mother says she refuses to be turned away from what she KNOWS is right: her current set of beliefs.
  
  I was only using faith in a particular afterlife as an example. I'm not saying all faith demands that you know what happens when you die. Faith is applied to specific religious beliefs, right?
  
  Let's get down to a very fundamental faith: If you believe in Jesus, you have faith. You KNOW he exists, right? Or would you still avoid using the word "know"? Because if a person wasn't certain of his existence, it would seem he or she is exhibiting doubt - a lack of faith. Is that an accurate statement?
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  Modesty VS Faith

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

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  modesty asks us to recognize our limitations.

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  VoidEater: My *modesty* tells me I can't know the future, my heart tells me I don't need to know the future.

  Well said! I wish my parents could understand that such a perspective is by no means dismal or hollow. They are hurt that I'd try to convince them that their faith is based on falsehood and yet I don't give them "anything better" as a replacement for their beautiful hope.

  I've tried to explain that my beliefs are not based on the prettiest picture but on the best available evidence. A person diagnosed with cancer can live in denial but it doesn't change the fact that they have cancer. Better to face reality and make lemonade. (As you can see, my illustrations probably don't help their perspective: reality = cancer. lol)

  Thank you for the other comments as well.
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  Modesty VS Faith

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

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  modesty asks us to recognize our limitations.

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  My JW parents "know" what will happen after they die. Rasheed the Muslim "knows" what will happen when he dies. Ed the Baptist "knows" what will happen when he dies. But none of them know in the absolute sense. It's all relative. Their faith requires themto believe with such certainty that they "know"... right? Maybe I'm wrong.

  To waver in certainty of belief shows a lack of faith, doesn't it? So faith, in the strongest sense, demands that you know (in a relative sense), right?

  I don't know.
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  No true Christian would stop having faith in Jesus

  by cyberjesus in

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  enjoy my fellow jwns.

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hjraagjudw&feature=channel.

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  Hey, Stephen, my JW mom says she fears my 'heart has become hardened towards Jehovah.' It's amazing how two people with two totally different faiths can use the same scripture to support their own superstitious belief, eh? That phrase just pisses me off now, probably because I do have a hard heart.

  BTW, why is your god so self-absorbed, demanding constant love, praise, and attention? He seems pretty uptight. I'd never tell my kids they MUST love me. Isn't that kinda the antithesis of love? Sounds to me like he's got a pretty hard heart.
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  Modesty VS Faith

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

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  modesty asks us to recognize our limitations.

  faith demands that we know the unknowable.. pick one..

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  Modesty asks us to recognize our limitations. Faith demands that we know the unknowable.

  Pick one.
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  No true Christian would stop having faith in Jesus

  by cyberjesus in

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  enjoy my fellow jwns.

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hjraagjudw&feature=channel.

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  CJ, I'm a huge fan of TheraminTrees and QualiaSoup on YouTube. I want to say I posted a link to that same No True Scotsman vid on another thread recently but i'm not sure. Check out all their videos. They are brothers who were raised in a religious household and later became atheists. Incredible communicators, IMO.

  QualiaSoup has some awesome vids independently of his bro, too: check out Critical Thinking, Open Mindedness, and Putting Faith in its Place.

  This is a really good one that serves as an excellent metaphor for born-in dubs.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAIpRRZvnJg

  (EDIT) Oops, yeah I already posted this one on another thread but not the No True Scotsman vid.
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  Billy Graham says Christians Don't Actually Hear the Voice of God

  by leavingwt in

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  in direct contradiction to the testimony of some of our friends and family, billy graham weighs in.

  billy graham says christians don't actually hear the voice of god.

  .. the question should have put billy in a dilemma.

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  "But, wait, since those acts are incompatible with the concept of a god of love and that constitues one (of many) massive contradictions, I don't think the bible was written by a benevolent creator at all! So to answer your question I don't think god or christ condone rape anymore than Allah condones it." (Emphasis mine.)

  And there you have it! C'est simple.

  Inkie, I loved your demonstration of eisegesis up there, using the BOLD function to read your own interpretation into my post, and totally ignoring the comment about Allah (and what must mean).

  That's cool. Can I try it with one of your posts?

  Nicolaou from Buckinghamshire, England: Greetings and felicitations! It's the voice of Christ, not the voice of God. Two separate persons. And 'no offense' is taken. --Inkie from across the Pond.

  And there you have it! The voice Inkie hears.... it's the voice of Inkie from across the pond! [insert french expression here]
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  No true Christian would stop having faith in Jesus

  by cyberjesus in

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  enjoy my fellow jwns.

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hjraagjudw&feature=channel.

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  I can't see youtube at the office... I don't suppose this is a TheraminTrees video, is it?
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  by cyberjesus in

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  while having a conversation at a night club with two guys ( i go salsa dancing at least 3 times per week) i was telling of a story of a time i went with a friend to a strip club but we left because our consiences felt guilty ( my friend was still in bethel).

  so i said "since i was a member of this religion".

  at that moment one of they guys immediately asked me "which religion?".

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  That must be an incredible feeling, to talk to a JW (even DF'd) and get that kind of response.
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  Billy Graham says Christians Don't Actually Hear the Voice of God

  by leavingwt in

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  in direct contradiction to the testimony of some of our friends and family, billy graham weighs in.

  billy graham says christians don't actually hear the voice of god.

  .. the question should have put billy in a dilemma.

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  Aw, Tammy, why'd you have to get in on this?! I don't wanna argue with you!

  So remind me, how do you view the bible?