my family knows that i post on this forum (they have a packet of print outs of topics i have started) and they know about my videos on youtube.. they have made a demand that i cease all internet communication with the apostate community and then they will have me back.. i have refused.. they say i am a narcissist because i am ignoring the feelings of my family because they are very hurt by the things i am doing on the internet and speaking out against the religion.. interesting since they had to search out my posts and videos to gather evidence of apostasy.. -sab.
Simon, please read it within context of post 685. That has no relevance to the point I was making with Debator.
Nonetheless, you are right, Simon, in that the parallels between the LDS and WT are many. So, yes, the family of an exMormon would likely shun him for standing away from that faith. Just another example of misplaced faith and a dogmatic religion causing the breakup of a family.
my family knows that i post on this forum (they have a packet of print outs of topics i have started) and they know about my videos on youtube.. they have made a demand that i cease all internet communication with the apostate community and then they will have me back.. i have refused.. they say i am a narcissist because i am ignoring the feelings of my family because they are very hurt by the things i am doing on the internet and speaking out against the religion.. interesting since they had to search out my posts and videos to gather evidence of apostasy.. -sab.
I think we have to recognise that our spiritual choices are grave life-changing ones. Religion isn't a hobby and apposing it isn't either.
Debator, what makes you think we consider this a hobby? We're on this board to support and be supported, among other things. There are boards for cancer support groups. Is fighting cancer a hobby?
At any rate, that verse you cite can just as well be used by any controlling religion that claims to suscribe to a literalist view. I wouldn't be surprised if the Mormons used it as well. Which reminds me, you didn't answer my question... presumably because the parallel is too close to home:
Surely you would agree that if a Mormon family split over doctrine and the exMormon mate was devastated by it, he/she would be well within rights to oppose or speak out against the LDS church, no?
my family knows that i post on this forum (they have a packet of print outs of topics i have started) and they know about my videos on youtube.. they have made a demand that i cease all internet communication with the apostate community and then they will have me back.. i have refused.. they say i am a narcissist because i am ignoring the feelings of my family because they are very hurt by the things i am doing on the internet and speaking out against the religion.. interesting since they had to search out my posts and videos to gather evidence of apostasy.. -sab.
Offering your religion as the true faith as apposed to false ones is simply what Jesus did denouncing the Jews and false gods of other faiths but his main thrust has always been presenting the the Kingdom message which is our main thrust too.
This is a lot different from making your whole goal the destruction one particular religion alone. When showing our religion is the true one we stick to our adherance to God's word the bible and it's teachings. We will leave the destruction of false religion to Jehovah he doesn't need our help.
First of all, I think you mean "opposed" with an O instead of an A.
This is your perspective, Debator, and you're entitled to it. Most members of this forum obviously have a very different perspective: we think the JW religion has the capacity to be destructive. (And you should be able to admit if it's not "The Truth" it claims to be, then it IS destructive.) Many of us have experienced it personally.
Surely you would agree that if a Mormon family split over doctrine and the exMormon mate was devastated by it, he/she would be well within rights to oppose or speak out against the LDS church, no? People start awareness causes for all types of disease, suffering, and oppression. This is a call to awareness.
If someone "destroyed" the JW religion today, there are tens of thousands of other wrong religions that will welcome the naive tomorrow. I'd like to see everyone learn critical thinking, which gets to the root of the problem, and non-violently. But that's wishful thinking.
my family knows that i post on this forum (they have a packet of print outs of topics i have started) and they know about my videos on youtube.. they have made a demand that i cease all internet communication with the apostate community and then they will have me back.. i have refused.. they say i am a narcissist because i am ignoring the feelings of my family because they are very hurt by the things i am doing on the internet and speaking out against the religion.. interesting since they had to search out my posts and videos to gather evidence of apostasy.. -sab.
The question is why do you have to be so actively apposed to witnesses?
Debator, the question is why do you have to be so actively opposed to non-witness religions?
Correct me if I'm wrong but your religion has no shame in going door-to-door "exposing false religion" yet we're supposed to stay quiet??
my family knows that i post on this forum (they have a packet of print outs of topics i have started) and they know about my videos on youtube.. they have made a demand that i cease all internet communication with the apostate community and then they will have me back.. i have refused.. they say i am a narcissist because i am ignoring the feelings of my family because they are very hurt by the things i am doing on the internet and speaking out against the religion.. interesting since they had to search out my posts and videos to gather evidence of apostasy.. -sab.
I guess Galileo was another narcissistic bastard who was pressured to recant and stop holding & teaching different views than were commonly held. (geocentrism vs heliocentrism)
my family knows that i post on this forum (they have a packet of print outs of topics i have started) and they know about my videos on youtube.. they have made a demand that i cease all internet communication with the apostate community and then they will have me back.. i have refused.. they say i am a narcissist because i am ignoring the feelings of my family because they are very hurt by the things i am doing on the internet and speaking out against the religion.. interesting since they had to search out my posts and videos to gather evidence of apostasy.. -sab.
How dare you have an opinion and speak openly about it! That's just sick! Everyone knows that viewpoints should be kept to one's self. (Except WTBTS viewpoints.)
do you think it has superpowers?
who controlls it?
satan?
Still no CJ...
for any of you who may doubt this fitness routine, it is for real.
iam in my 6th week(phase 2) and i have never felt of looked better.
i was fit before p90x (ran 4-5 miles, kayaked, weight training etc), but this program has allowed me to break through the wall.
Alrighty then.
Good job with your training, Megaflower!
for any of you who may doubt this fitness routine, it is for real.
iam in my 6th week(phase 2) and i have never felt of looked better.
i was fit before p90x (ran 4-5 miles, kayaked, weight training etc), but this program has allowed me to break through the wall.
I wasn't saying that there's no research in anaerobic exercise and brain function - there is, and there's no benefit measured. If that wasn't the case I'd trust that doing something like Crossfit would in principle help, but they've looked at that.
Mark, buddy... you're still implying that CF (or the like) is only anaerobic and I don't believe that's the case.
I just wanted to clear up the misconception that "there's not much aerobic stuff." A few WODs are anaerobic only but the vast majority are not. For example, today's WOD is a 5k run for time.
If it's not for you, that's totally cool. Not everyone has the same goals. Folks should follow a routine that suits their primary objectives. I have no doubt that there are easier, less taxing ways to achieve "brain fitness" than CF or similar.
for any of you who may doubt this fitness routine, it is for real.
iam in my 6th week(phase 2) and i have never felt of looked better.
i was fit before p90x (ran 4-5 miles, kayaked, weight training etc), but this program has allowed me to break through the wall.
I get what you're saying, Mark, but my point was simply that their method of training does not neglect aerobic conditioning.
From Wiki:
Muscles trained using anaerobic exercise develop differently compared to aerobic exercise, leading to greater performance in short duration, high intensity activities, which last from mere seconds up to about 2 minutes. [ 1 ] [ 2 ] Any activity after about two minutes will have a large aerobic metabolic component.
Many CF workouts are in the neighborhood of 20 minutes (though it can vary greatly by WOD). Twenty continuous minutes of intense activity. While it's true CF isn't an endurance-focused program, if you perform it (or similar training) for an 8-12 week period and you don't achieve a significantly higher level of aerobic conditioning than a typical weight-lifting program (pure anaerobic), there's something amiss.
Give one of those 20 min workouts a shot. Granted, if you have to take a break every 30 seconds because the arms or legs fail first, then it clearly changes the whole dynamic of the workout. But once you build up the strength/endurance to keep moving continuously through the whole WOD, your respiratory system and cardiovascular system will be taxed the full 20 minutes.
I'm not saying CF is for everyone and I'm not saying it's the most effective way to prepare for a marathon or ... raise IQ. But it certainly doesn't neglect "aerobic stuff" either.
Plus it raised my IQ eight points over three months. Now I'm a 79!
