Posts by SweetBabyCheezits

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Satan the Devil was in idiot

by sabastious in

lets check out his track record (according to the witnesses).. 1. first, he decides to rebel against the most powerful entity in existence that is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.

which of course, will doom him to failure the second he begins.. 2. then he starts his brilliant plan to trick eve as a talking snake, interesting how that worked out since snakes don't talk.

(good thing eve was more stupid than satan).. 3. next he bets against god (again) with job.

SweetBabyCheezits

Because I am NOT perfect and I can be a huge SOB if I allow myself to be, YET I KNOW right from wrong, I KNOW it when I do it and I knwo it when I see it done to/by others, and if I, a lowly person KNOW this, then God must know it too and IF God is a superiour being then God must be superiourly moral as well and as such...

I can see the argument from morality used in support of a deistic god but not in support of the bible/Yahweh (or Allah, etc). If anything, many passages of the OT strongly defy our natural sense of right and wrong.

Do I disregard the morally corrupt God of thr OT and follow the God of the NT and pretend the OT God doesn't exist? or do I accept that the warnings of the prophets and Jesus about the scribes playing "loose and free" with the word of God means something?

Or do false presuppositions lead to false dichotomies?

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Satan the Devil was in idiot

by sabastious in

lets check out his track record (according to the witnesses).. 1. first, he decides to rebel against the most powerful entity in existence that is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.

which of course, will doom him to failure the second he begins.. 2. then he starts his brilliant plan to trick eve as a talking snake, interesting how that worked out since snakes don't talk.

(good thing eve was more stupid than satan).. 3. next he bets against god (again) with job.

SweetBabyCheezits

Outside of sending the flood and a few firey meatballs from space,what exactly can be attributed to God directly?

Not that the flood wasn't horrific and that S&G got a raw deal for being kinky.

How many innocent people does a human have to kill before he's charged with murder/homicide?

"oh but god gives life so he has the right to take it"

Then why not take Satan's life?

At any rate, some other instances of OT god killing man include sending snakes, bears, and/or lions, etc... causing earth to open up and swallow people... dropping the walls of the Red Sea on the Egyptians... etc, etc... I don't have the patience to go back through the whole OT to pull more accounts, though there are plenty.

"but those people were evil and deserved to die"

The point being made here is that god, according to the OT, had no problem slaughtering human enemies directly. So why didn't he just kill off Satan?

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Satan the Devil was in idiot

by sabastious in

lets check out his track record (according to the witnesses).. 1. first, he decides to rebel against the most powerful entity in existence that is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.

which of course, will doom him to failure the second he begins.. 2. then he starts his brilliant plan to trick eve as a talking snake, interesting how that worked out since snakes don't talk.

(good thing eve was more stupid than satan).. 3. next he bets against god (again) with job.

SweetBabyCheezits

Yahweh needs to wear a WWJD bracelet.

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Satan the Devil was in idiot

by sabastious in

lets check out his track record (according to the witnesses).. 1. first, he decides to rebel against the most powerful entity in existence that is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.

which of course, will doom him to failure the second he begins.. 2. then he starts his brilliant plan to trick eve as a talking snake, interesting how that worked out since snakes don't talk.

(good thing eve was more stupid than satan).. 3. next he bets against god (again) with job.

SweetBabyCheezits

Brilliant! Instead of destroying the source of the evil, Satan, god destroys those puny humans influenced by the source. This continues through the millenia because god has no pattern recognition.

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Satan the Devil was in idiot

by sabastious in

lets check out his track record (according to the witnesses).. 1. first, he decides to rebel against the most powerful entity in existence that is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.

which of course, will doom him to failure the second he begins.. 2. then he starts his brilliant plan to trick eve as a talking snake, interesting how that worked out since snakes don't talk.

(good thing eve was more stupid than satan).. 3. next he bets against god (again) with job.

SweetBabyCheezits

http://bible.cc/genesis/6-13.htm

So God said to Noah, "I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth.

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Satan the Devil was in idiot

by sabastious in

lets check out his track record (according to the witnesses).. 1. first, he decides to rebel against the most powerful entity in existence that is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.

which of course, will doom him to failure the second he begins.. 2. then he starts his brilliant plan to trick eve as a talking snake, interesting how that worked out since snakes don't talk.

(good thing eve was more stupid than satan).. 3. next he bets against god (again) with job.

SweetBabyCheezits

How can God advocate "love thy enemies" and then squash Satan like a bug?

Yeah, 'cuz he never squashed enemies before...

http://bible.cc/deuteronomy/20-17.htm

"Completely destroy them--the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites--as the LORD your God has commanded you."

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To Christmas or Not to Christmas (inspired by Watersprout's DA thread)

by Mad Sweeney in

jw
friends

my wife and kid want to do christmas but i don't.

i am not against it but i have no reason to celebrate the holiday.

i'll get the kid some presents, and maybe my wife, but is that alone really "celebrating christmas?

SweetBabyCheezits

Family, friends, music, food, drink, lights and an atmosphere of love/sharing/caring/generosity.

Mad, you mentioned you have no reason to celebrate xmas. We had the same feeling for a while and so hadn't really planned on celebrating it or any other holidays. Then after our DF we rehashed our reasons and... well, now we see no reason NOT to celebrate xmas, even though we're not actually Christian. Here's the link to our rationalization.

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What is Free Will really??

by SweetBabyCheezits in

isn't that a movie about a boy and a whale?

or a "big fish" maybe?.

SweetBabyCheezits

Seems to me it's all about perspective. - Captain Obvious

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What is Free Will really??

by SweetBabyCheezits in

isn't that a movie about a boy and a whale?

or a "big fish" maybe?.

SweetBabyCheezits

Someone mugs you and pulls a gun and "asks" you for money, you have the choice to:

Give it to him

Not give it to him

Shove the gun up his ass

Run

Do nothing

etc, etc...

The freedom you have is to choose WHICH options to go with.

C'mon, Paul, you even have to distort my illustration to make this work? What does that tell you? A thief is demanding your wallet while pointing a gun at your head. Oh sure, we could create numerous other "options" that would get you killed. But it boils down to the fact that you either give him your wallet or you don't. Refusing to give him your wallet (or doing nothing) is death by default in this scenario, okay? You can't karate chop his bullet. (Unless you're Chuck Norris, and even then it would be a roundhouse.)

Every choice we make comes with a consequence, the "free" part doesn't mean "free of consequences", it means that nothing is stopping us from choosing.

Really? So right now we have freedom of speech. What if that right was taken away? Sure, we could speak out against the government if we wanted to, but suppose we would be punished for it. Choice would still be there but with that fear of punishment influencing our speech, the freedom is gone. The same applies here.

I think that IF God was a God of "do this or I will kill you", you would be right.

Ok, so I'm right then. Or was the flood account, among many others, just a myth? Because if I remember correctly the options were:

Get on the ark
Die in a flood

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Can we understand the Bible without the Watchtower?

by brotherdan in

not according to c.t russell.

in the september 15, 1910 wt he made these shocking claims regarding the 6 scripture studies that he wrote:.

"that is to say, they are not merely comments on the bible, but they are practically the bible itself...".

SweetBabyCheezits

Fan of T.Paine here.