this is one of the most aggressive watchtowers i think i have ever read.. four study articles on not "following the crowd" not following unrealities(page 13) not following false teachers, meaning apostates of course(p 15).
avoiding false teachers means "refusing to read their literature, watch tv programs that feature them, examine their web sites, or add comments to their blogs.
(para 7, pg 16).
Miseryloveselders said: the higher ups have noticed that the JW Apologists get ROASTED. I mean SLAUGHTERED,
Ya, but at least we respect their wishes and drain their blood after slaughtering them on here. Just to show respect for the on-line life we just took.
we also just back from our circuit assembly.. co told us that we have 1700 pubs in the circuit and approx 50% are involved this month in pioneer work.
the do said that this is worldwide the greatest shout of praise to jehovah since the angels shouted in applause at jehovah's creative works and that it is the greatest witness the world has ever seen.. you gotta love the governing body for coming up with this arrangement.
and you gotta love the worldwide brotherhood for responding so positively.
I think such a surge in pioneers is a good indication of how we serve "shoulder to shoulder" as a worldwide brotherhood. Such a cooperative spirit is not possible in Christendom. Very encouraging.
Ya. Those poor bastards who belong to Christendom only help feed the poor, help rebuild after natural disasters, and help cloth and shelter those that can't afford it. What a sham that is when you compare it to Jehovah's Witnesses handing out cheap flyers inviting everyone to a 'meal' that they're not allowed to partake in.
Yep......very encouraging.
ok, here is the question.. if a dfd person shows to a kh of congregation x and starts attending the meetings and talks to the elders and tells them he has been attending the meetings for a year in congregation y. how will the elders in cong y verify that?
would they need a letter, a phone call?
will they check with the branch?
ok, here is the question.. if a dfd person shows to a kh of congregation x and starts attending the meetings and talks to the elders and tells them he has been attending the meetings for a year in congregation y. how will the elders in cong y verify that?
would they need a letter, a phone call?
will they check with the branch?
I'm thinking that a phonecall to whatever congregation they said they had been attending would be in order. I don't think they have to do an official letter if they're in the same city, but for out of towners, a letter is probably warranted. As for the time frame, it depends on the offense and the present elder body. I remember when Gumby went back to get reinstated (he had been DF'd for smoking I think), he only had to go for 5 months before they reinstated him as in this day and age, smoking is not considered that offensive, at least in disfellowshipping terms.
If the person was disfellowshipped for fornication, then it still shouldn't be too bad. Adultery might take a bit longer depending on if they screwed a fellow Dub or a worldly person. Other misdemeanours include buying lottery tickets and maybe some pornia. The big offenses are of course, joining websites like JWN or Freeminds, or questioning any of the doctrines they teach in La-La-land. For that, the person will have to glue his/her ass to a seat at the back for a few years anyway, before they'd even be considered for reinstatement.
july 15th wt study edition (regular dumb edition, not the dumber one).
god's rest - have you entered into it?.
subheading, when someone we love leaves jehovah.
The religious leaders in his day could by any standards be called Apostate to pure worship. Yet--Jesus did NOT shun them.
It also worked vice versa: No matter how much the religious leaders hated Jesus and all he stood for, there is no indication in the scriptures that they shunned him or ordered other Jews to shun him.
And naturally they lump every single person who leaves as being a whore-mongering, drug addicted, Satan worshipper. Actually, this article shows that there is (obviously) a problem with Witnesses talking to DF'd family members and the goons at the top are trying desperately to shore up their dwindling numbers by alienating any potential threat to those who are still in.
I always think it's a great idea to make several copies of this crap and distribute it to various churches in the area so that they can see for themselves how petty and pathetic Jehovah's Witnesses are.
this highly explosive six screens of the watchtower april 9-2011 conference call is now up loaded and ready to be heard.
concerned people from all over the world were calling in to get the latest news on what is going on in the world of the watchtower.. our first guest was barbara anderson and she brought us up to speed on the criminal complaint the watchtower organization is facing in australia.
barbara as always wants the facts straight and delivers her information in a very professional,competent manner.. steve guziec a former j.w.
I think it's sad that it's come to this. At one point when 'Johnny the Bethelite' first appeared, I was willing to give Rick the benefit of the doubt and assume that he had simply been naïve in believing his guest was actually an active Bethelite with (supposed) new dirt to dish on what is going on behind closed doors at Crooklyn. It became apparent that 'Johnny the Bethelite' was yanking everyone's chain and was a fraud. At that point, Rick should have said "yep, I got duped and I'll be alot more careful next time I invite someone like this on my conference call'. (this is assuming that 'Johnny the Bethelite' wasn't some cheap invention of Rick's in the first place to try and drum up more business).
He didn't. Instead, he did what the Governing Body does when they back themselves into a corner: Rather than admit they've been wrong, they stubbornly dig their heels in even more, insist that they are right and everyone else is wrong, and verbally bash anyone who dares to point out inconsistencies, errors or outright nonsense.
I fail to see why Rick is continually trying to promote 'Johnny the Bethelite' as a legetimate person when it is obvious he's anything but. I find it also troublesome that when Lovelylil exposed the way she had been treated by Rick and Co. for her daring to question 'Johnny', he outright lied about it and then simply ignored it along with her request for an apology. Instead, he seemed to get some sort of weird thrill that the topics on here were giving his Six Screens of the Watchtower free publicity even though it was all negative publicity and not good for his cause. This too is a leftover mentality of the WTS itself: ignore all the bad exposure and pretend that you're still right and the rest of the world is wrong.
Rick, if you have any decency, you would publically apologize to LL for what happened and admit that your guest speaker is no more real than Puff the Magic Dragon. Mouthy/Grace has always been after me to call into your show and I was actually considering it, but I certainly won't now.
my study conductor has informed me that he & his wife are switching to a foreign language congregation that is far away from the territory they live in (it will involve a lot of driving back & forth).
because he is switching congregations, he said he will not have the energy to devote to my study and recommended another brother who could take over, and i have met him.
however, this change happened simultaneously with a decision i have made.
We were in ch 9 of the Bible Teach book, and I wanted to maintain the line of thought from the end of ch 8 where the book claims there is evidence to confirm the WT beliefs about 1914. As we examined what the book was presenting as evidence in ch 9, I said that I did not understand why it would count as evidence. He told me I was being too scientific and read me 1 Cor 2:14 which says "But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them], because they are examined spiritually."
You've committed the unforgiveable sin in Watchtowerland: You've indicated you do not believe their bullshit 1914 doctrine and have stated that there is no evidence for it. And since this guy realizes that there's no evidence for it and just expects you to 'take it on faith', he's pissed off that you've wasted his time asking questions that fall outside his narrow line of thinking and he's dumping your ass.
Consider yourself lucky: You've managed to see through they're crap before getting baptized, so they can't do anything to you. LOL!
i stop smoking when i became a jw, so for 18-19 yrs.
i stop.. this time around it,s very hard to stop.
any suggestion..
My sister tried Champix for 6 weeks and she stopped no problem. However, for it to work fully, I think you're supposed to use it for 12 weeks......
my internet has been off since the 5th of april not 1 of you missed me .
i see where a big fight went on when the conference call was on( i only read some.
of your points).
Dearest Grace, we all missed you!! When I actually get some free time off work, we gotta get together for lunch again...........
this highly explosive six screens of the watchtower april 9-2011 conference call is now up loaded and ready to be heard.
concerned people from all over the world were calling in to get the latest news on what is going on in the world of the watchtower.. our first guest was barbara anderson and she brought us up to speed on the criminal complaint the watchtower organization is facing in australia.
barbara as always wants the facts straight and delivers her information in a very professional,competent manner.. steve guziec a former j.w.
I think at one time, Six Screens of the Watchtower was a viable tool to help people out of the Organization. Unfortunately, it seems to have disintegrated into a bad episode of the Jerry Springer Show with it's host trying to sensationalize it more and more.
After reading about the treatment LovelyLil received, I think what little credibility Rick had is shot.
