Posts by jst2laws

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X-JWs Who are now bible Christians

by clash_city_rockers in

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hi folks,.

i'm just sort of taking role call to all those x-dubs who are now brothers and sisters in christ.

i think it is wise for us to rise up and be counted so that we know who each other are.

jst2laws

Billygoat, Little Toe, hillary_step, Bona Dea, Plum and others,

Wow, I love you all. I got turned off this thread about page 3 and just checked it out again this morning. I have missed some great discussion. But it is best that way. My blood was boiling several times as I read. The reasoning was good and mostly calm and Christian. Hillary, you are one of the funniest intellectuals I know. Billy, you came across as a true Christian. Little Toe, you have really shown here you are Circuit Overseer material.

Six and seeken,
While we, six, have differed in the past over my Christian faith in this thread I feel more a brotherhood with you than our Christian fanatic. (Yeh, ccr, to you that makes me an apostate.) I appreciate both of your input on this topic

Gumby,
I would like try to give a satisfying answer to your questions but I am still formulating the details in my own mind and heart. I'm am afraid to post them as yet. Not afraid of being mistaken as much as I'm afraid of coming off dogmatic. At this point that would be more of a sin than have flaws in my personal beliefs.

Clash,
Again I thank you for starting this thread. It has been stimulating and educational. As you I have come to know many posters here much better as a result.

I must say, though, my friend, you have come off very offensively. You have shown us Christians how not to share our faith. You remind me of Mat. 15:1-5 where some of the older men in Jerusalem interrupted the spiritual good time of the friends to demand everyone accept their narrow view of the truth. You will note there that the writer made note they had been Pharisees. They lost the argument that day and the CONGREGATION decided to no longer "burden" the brothers with dogmatic teachings the that the Pharisaical ones were demanding.

I hope you can see with Little Toe's help, you are hurting people and your cause with your approach to evangelizing. I would welcome an effort on your part to prove me wrong by responding to this post with love, kindness, longsuffering, and patience produced by the spirit of Christ and the tolerance Jesus demonstrated among us sinners.

Peace, my brother

Jst2laws

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More Pictures from the Vigil!!!!!

by VeniceIT in

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i will shortly be posting pictures from the vigil, .

if you don't want your pic up, please let me know asap and .

i'll blur your lil face out ok .

jst2laws

Ozzie,

Hope you both recover soon. Really miss your strong presence here.

I know you and the wife have had some difficult times. In the last two weeks Joy and I have kind of gradually exposed ourselves and may face the Watchtower flames of judgement soon.

Wish we could cross the waters somehow with the bike and do some riding together. Take care and deal with reality for now. We were at the vigil for those who could not make it.

Jst2laws

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Circuit Overseer online. Welcome to my pages

by Carlo in

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hi brothers and sisters.

i am a jw circuit overseer.

you are welcome to visit my pages.. http://www.angelfire.dom/ky/proclaimer.

jst2laws

I just emailed this to my 110% JW daughter-inlaw. This is so good I don't think she will see through it. But she has three cats. She will either leave the organization or kill the cats.

Carlo, I'm still waiting for that GB apologetic of yours. I need help with my faith in the organization.

Jst2

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Circuit Overseer online. Welcome to my pages

by Carlo in

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friends

hi brothers and sisters.

i am a jw circuit overseer.

you are welcome to visit my pages.. http://www.angelfire.dom/ky/proclaimer.

jst2laws

Hey,

Give Carlo a chance. He is probably the best Ciruit Overseer who will serve this congregation.

Common Carlo. I need help with my faith in the Governing Body.

Help!

Jst2

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Other thoughts: the two witnesses idea

by larc in

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whether the two witnesses to two separate incidences is new or old, it is still a very stupid policy.

let us suppose a child was raped and their parents took the matter to police.

further suppose that the police said, that they couldn't investigate because there had not been any other complaints against the rapist.

jst2laws

Hey Larc,

Good point:

suppose that the police said, that they couldn't investigate because there had not been any other complaints against the rapist

What we seem to be dealing with is two problems. The WT society sets itself up above the legal system with a flawed theocratic sence of justice as you have pointed out.

Then the local boys fail to separated the WT system of justice from the real Justice System and fail to turn over criminal procecution to the authorities.

Classic case of 'two wrongs making more wrongs right' (WT spiritual wisdom)

DOES ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD POLICY??????

(jst2 looking from side to side, ......silence.... ANYONE? ANYONE?)

Jst2laws

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Circuit Overseer online. Welcome to my pages

by Carlo in

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friends

hi brothers and sisters.

i am a jw circuit overseer.

you are welcome to visit my pages.. http://www.angelfire.dom/ky/proclaimer.

jst2laws

Carlo,

I'm having doubts about the Faithful and Discreet Slave. I remember you had a wonderful defense of the mistakes made in the past by the GB. It was one of the most upbuilding articles I have read.

Is it possible to post it here?

Jst2laws

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Two Witnesses to WHAT !!!

by jst2laws in

i have asked this question on another thread but want to bring it to everyone's attention.

the wt society is trying to make it look as if they have always handled molestation aggressively and that very little change has been required, only 'strengthening' their policy over the years.

two witnesses to separate incidents of the same kind of wrongdoing.

jst2laws

Salud,

Good to hear from you.

In my years that I served as an elder and on special committee's for the Society I never had an incident where someone was tried on witness testimony of two different occurrences

I agree it is rare. I have been involved in cases of smoking, fornication and I just remembered one of drunkenness where action was taken on the testimony of either two witnesses to separate incidences or one witness and 'strong circumstantial evidence' (another not so often used rule). While I say this I'm thinking how stinking wrong it was but it seemed right at the time.

Anyway, its good to have your response as a former elder. The society says one thing knowing full well that reality is totally different.

Thanks Salud for the input.

Jst2

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Two Witnesses to WHAT !!!

by jst2laws in

i have asked this question on another thread but want to bring it to everyone's attention.

the wt society is trying to make it look as if they have always handled molestation aggressively and that very little change has been required, only 'strengthening' their policy over the years.

two witnesses to separate incidents of the same kind of wrongdoing.

jst2laws

Hello Laurie,

Good to have you here. Your input is priceless.

WTS had a legal representative present at his criminal trial in which four victims testified against him for abuses that accured repeatedly and over a period of 24 years

You have given valuable input regarding the WT society fully knowing the details and yet not applying what they say is their policy.

I was hoping to get more info from someone regarding the timing of that letter and how much the society knew at the time:

The letter from the WTS was in response to my husbands letter AFTER the trial and AFTER his father was in prison. My husband asked why after being convicted and having these witnesses against him, why was Dan still not DFed. The letter posted above was the response. They absolutely knew of the 4 victims and they also had themselves a record of 17 victims.

I'm putting together a folder of facts and documents such as this to help the local Jws see the truth in contrast to what was read to them Thursday night at the KH.

They say publicly that if there is more than one witness to the same type of crime they CAN use it as evidence. The key word is CAN. The problem is they DON'T. Laurie

They 'CAN...The problem is they DON'T'. My last words to the local PO Friday was they were lying. Its hard to convince a loyal Jdub but this dialog may be of help. Thanks Laurie.

Jst2

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Two Witnesses to WHAT !!!

by jst2laws in

i have asked this question on another thread but want to bring it to everyone's attention.

the wt society is trying to make it look as if they have always handled molestation aggressively and that very little change has been required, only 'strengthening' their policy over the years.

two witnesses to separate incidents of the same kind of wrongdoing.

jst2laws

ChiChiMama,

As I read I really lost it on the "deliriously happy" comment. Dungbeetle, right on.

Remember, WT had the chance to present the types of cases you are asking for and they even after 6 months didn't come up with them. They are keeping these things confidential.

I thought I would test the 'confidentiality' issue and see if anyone had any experience where the 'two witnesses to separate incidences rule was used. So far nothing.

WT is not giving these examples that back up their claims and the people who may have experienced this policy as stated aren't speaking either.So I don't know where you are going to find what you are looking for.

In this case, while curious, I expected failure. In fact failure is success. We have not heard from old hippie yet, but even if one congregation of elders did the right thing, that does not justify the example given here or the general failure of applying their 'two witness rule'.

Big point, you said Barry is "still a witness in good standing". We certainly have some outrageous cases where things haven't been done as the WT society says they are.

Jst2

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One more bad joke. Sorry

by WildTurkey in

a married couple was on holiday in pakistan.

they were touring around the marketplace looking at the goods and such, when they passed a small sandal shop.

from inside they heard a gentleman with a pakistani accent say, "you foreigners!

jst2laws

OH GOD! You had me scared to death. But it ended well.

Very funny Wildt

Jst2