Posts by debator

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"The Watch Tower is a Wicked Organization ...

by snowbird in

... and has placed its members under a curse from god.

" galatians 1:8. the author of this site makes that claim repeatedly.

http://www.truthandgrace.com/watchtower.htm.

debator

No we Jehovah's Witnesses aren't!

Galatians 1:8 (New International Version)

8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!

What gospel was preached then?

An honest answer to that is why if you applying that scripture in accusation against anyone you need to be very sure about what you yourselves are preaching.

Matthew 7:2
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

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Take the dubbie Bible Knowledge Challenge!

by Farkel in

i believe it was jim penton who mentioned that even the more knowledgeable dubbies only know about 25 or so bible verses well enough to cite book, chapter, verse and can cite those verses verbatim.

some years ago, i started a thread on that very subject and only came up with about 25 verses i myself remembered when i was a dubbie.

i was considered quite the bible "scholar" back in the day, too!

debator

Hi Snowbird

Our publications are tools that direct us to the bible teachings. Any principle or rule we apply to a modern setting is a bible one.

Is it okay to smoke when the bible principle of treating our body like a temple is applied?

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Take the dubbie Bible Knowledge Challenge!

by Farkel in

i believe it was jim penton who mentioned that even the more knowledgeable dubbies only know about 25 or so bible verses well enough to cite book, chapter, verse and can cite those verses verbatim.

some years ago, i started a thread on that very subject and only came up with about 25 verses i myself remembered when i was a dubbie.

i was considered quite the bible "scholar" back in the day, too!

debator

I think you'll find witnesses have a vast bible knowledge compared to the general populous or anyone for that matter. It is a well-oiled lamp in our hands.

One opening point I use on the ministry is "Do you have a bible. have you ever read it?" and nearly everytime they say "yes they have a bible and no they haven't ever read it".

And also compared to most religions that put their doctrines ahead of the bible. So to be a trinitarian you need a degree in trinity but not the bible to be a trinitarian. Using john 1:1 from their translations usually does the trick for them.

Your average person these days wouldn't even know how to look a scripture up.

Actually if I said to some what religion are you and they say "I am church of England" and I ask them if they read the bible they usually say no. To them religion is just something they write on the odd form.

One of the main reasons I am a Jehovah's witness is that I like reading the whole bible without flinching at the contradictions. To be in a Christian Religion where Jehovah is my one God and father throughout the bible is marvelous.

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Children of 1975

by d in

what was it like to live in the 1950's 1960's and early 70's as a jehovah witness.when they started to push the 1975 date..

debator

We preached then! we preach now! we preached for the last 2000 years that God's day will come!

But if you are saying they preached Armageddon will happen in '75 then that is just hearsay! That being said I'm sure some did in their enthusiasm but as the quoted watchtowers show they had no publications to back it up as a definite Armageddon date they would have had to say "hopefully, maybe, probably"

or more likely say "Armageddon is due very soon because we are in the last days!" which is what I preach now and what russell preached over a 100 years ago too.

We are commanded to preach and so there is no "allowance" from shepherds involved.

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Take the dubbie Bible Knowledge Challenge!

by Farkel in

i believe it was jim penton who mentioned that even the more knowledgeable dubbies only know about 25 or so bible verses well enough to cite book, chapter, verse and can cite those verses verbatim.

some years ago, i started a thread on that very subject and only came up with about 25 verses i myself remembered when i was a dubbie.

i was considered quite the bible "scholar" back in the day, too!

debator

Hi meeting

Sorry it is simply too loaded and incorrect to boot.

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At what point did you realize JW's were a Cult?

by Think About It in

most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.

althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.

finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.

debator

Hi bohm

Whether they are cults or not is not the point! The point on the table is if Witnesses are a cult.

You are simply introducing them as non sequitors.

Bohm is non sequitor fallacy a constant tactic you use in debates?

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At what point did you realize JW's were a Cult?

by Think About It in

most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.

althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.

finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.

debator

Hi Poopsie

How can you have unity without believing the same things?

You propose an Oxymoron in your words.

An oxymoron (plural oxymorons or oxymora) (from Greek ?ξ?μωρον, "sharp dull") is a figure of speech that combines normally-contradictory terms. Oxymorons appear in a variety of contexts, including inadvertent errors such as extremely average and literary oxymorons crafted to reveal a paradox.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxymoron

Yes Isaac Paul makes it very clear in his writing.

Romans 16:17
I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.

2 Thessalonians 3:6
In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us.

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At what point did you realize JW's were a Cult?

by Think About It in

most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.

althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.

finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.

debator

Hi psacrmento

Your viewpoint is simply convicting them before the trial. Assumption of guilt. which is hardly objective.

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At what point did you realize JW's were a Cult?

by Think About It in

most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.

althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.

finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.

debator

Hi bohm

This debate isn't if Cults exist? or even how they are defined? You already said it was a sliding scale and that all groups have cult-like tendencies to varying degrees which either makes them all cults or all not cults. Is America cult because it makes people say the pledge of allegience on pain of imprisonment?

There obviously is a current world standard of Cult which the Witnesses simply do not conform too hense why Governments, Supreme courts and human rights groups do not consider us a cult. Are you trying to redefine what these Authorities accept as a cult or not?

Are you saying these Authorities (one of which you voted for) do not correctly define cults because they have not made witnesses one? that is rather circular reasoning you know?

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At what point did you realize JW's were a Cult?

by Think About It in

most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.

althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.

finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.

debator

I will say this Isaac

Your posts are interesting

Is Jesus just a magic wand we wave to save ourselves? and all he taught is irrelevent? Which seems to be the point you are making. To you that scripture means simply Unity under jesus but not in belief? lol even for you that is a weird argument?

On saying that, the recent visit from the pope and watching various religious heads trying to tango with each other. That is maybe were they are heading. Rejection of unity of belief in favour of Jesus as a talisman.

The actual Bible is always the sticking point of this argument which would make the bible irrelevent. All we would need a one page with Jesus's name on it.