Posts by debator

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So I just got called a narcissist

by sabastious in

my family knows that i post on this forum (they have a packet of print outs of topics i have started) and they know about my videos on youtube.. they have made a demand that i cease all internet communication with the apostate community and then they will have me back.. i have refused.. they say i am a narcissist because i am ignoring the feelings of my family because they are very hurt by the things i am doing on the internet and speaking out against the religion.. interesting since they had to search out my posts and videos to gather evidence of apostasy.. -sab.

debator

The question is why do you have to be so actively apposed to witnesses?

You have chosen to publically denounce and taking an active oppostion to everything Jehovah's witnesses stand for.

You are not only saying witnesses are not the choice for you but then going that step further into apostasy which means you actively set yourself up against them trying to stumble others via youtube out of the witnesses.

I think your parents make a fair point if you are actively against witnesses how could you live with two Jehovah's witnesses in such a hostile position without it causing a lot of trouble for you all?

He is not just being a different belief but has chosen to appose witnesses and is active in his opposition.

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BIG WEEKEND JW NEWS STORY EXPOSES HEARTLESS CULT

by West70 in

the following newspaper article appears to be the original (and more lengthy and indepth) article from which associated press took their "summarized" (and less informative) story which is being picked up by a number of television stations and newspapers across the u.s. .

this better version should be forwarded to media outlets as a more informative version for their audience.

they also embrace political neutrality.

debator

Hi neon

lets try some other tranlslations shall we?

2 Corinthians 10:3

GOD'S WORD Translation About GW Of course we are human, but we don't fight like humans. 2 Corinthians 10:3 New Century Version About NCV We do live in the world, but we do not fight in the same way the world fights. 2 Corinthians 10:3 Revised Standard Version About RSV For though we live in the world we are not carrying on a worldly war, Your being deceptive over the word flesh/world which the bible uses to indicate Mankind apart from God.

it's all in the context.

2 Corinthians 10 (New International Version)

1 By the meekness and gentleness of Christ, I appeal to you—I, Paul, who am "timid" when face to face with you, but "bold" when away! 2 I beg you that when I come I may not have to be as bold as I expect to be toward some people who think that we live by the standards of this world. 3 For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. 4 The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. Yes he is refering to our spiritual goals now I have never denied this but he also shows that we no longer war or use physical weapons accordng to our fleshly/worldly nature. This is no way negates that fighting as fleshly people is not our way now as Christians.

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Thought stopper: "We are the only ones doing what Jesus did."

by sabastious in

this is one of the top thought stopping phrases here.. it invalidates any argument presented against the organization.

it basically says this:.

"it doesn't matter who did what in the org, it doesn't matter how bad things get, we are the only ones doing what jesus did, therefore all errors and corruption are disregarded as we await the end.".

debator

Hi tweetie

It's all in the message.

Acts 17:11
Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

If you think the book of Mormon suppasses the Bible become a mormon!

Non-dominational church isn't that an oxymoron? what can a non-commital faith preach except only the very basic, depthless teachings?

Some Religions still sometimes make an attempt at preaching but what is their message? If they are simply preaching a triune god not found in the bible does this count?

It is not just that the Jehovah's witnesses preach world-wide (which fewer religions even attempt because their blurred faith undermines preaching a specific bible teaching with confidence) It is that I saw them preaching the most accurate teachings reflecting what the bible actually says in harmony with it all not just proof texting scriptures for their own doctrine.

One of the biggest changes from Jews to Christians is living by Bible principles not just a set of rules. Understanding why something is wrong. Without it having to be specifically mentioned biblically. Being able to see from fruitage the way the world is wrong in God's eyes not just because we are told it is wrong.

Some of the oldest questions in the book are; Does it matter what we believe? Who is our Almighty God that we obey? Why should we obey Jehovah?

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Awake! says we can pray in Jesus' name!!!

by Leolaia in

according to this, jesus is not just the mediator of the 144,000 -- he's the mediator of mankind!!

and apparently "dear jesus" prayers are okay!

the watch tower says i can say, "dear jesus, you are my mediator as you are for all mankind..." "the bible clearly says that jesus christ is mankind's redeemer, so he is mankind's mediator.

debator

Hi serein

The mediatorship is the specific covenant dealing with the firstfruits that will be acting as kings and priests in heaven.

Romans 8:17
Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

Revelation 14:4
These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.

Romans 11:16
If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

It in no way stops us praying to Jehovah in Jesus's name whatever our hope whether it is earthly or heavenly.

We as witnesses do not preach that only the 144,000 can pray to Jehovah through Jesus so You are mistaken on our bible drawn beliefs there.

Jesus is priest to all mankind having sacrificed his blood for us all so we all go through him.

Hebrews 9:24-26 (New International Version)

24 For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence. 25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

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BIG WEEKEND JW NEWS STORY EXPOSES HEARTLESS CULT

by West70 in

the following newspaper article appears to be the original (and more lengthy and indepth) article from which associated press took their "summarized" (and less informative) story which is being picked up by a number of television stations and newspapers across the u.s. .

this better version should be forwarded to media outlets as a more informative version for their audience.

they also embrace political neutrality.

debator

Hi prodigal

Your not bitter, unobjective, dehumanising and biased at all I see....

And if you decided all witnesses where as you described would you justify mass slaughtering them in a war?

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BIG WEEKEND JW NEWS STORY EXPOSES HEARTLESS CULT

by West70 in

the following newspaper article appears to be the original (and more lengthy and indepth) article from which associated press took their "summarized" (and less informative) story which is being picked up by a number of television stations and newspapers across the u.s. .

this better version should be forwarded to media outlets as a more informative version for their audience.

they also embrace political neutrality.

debator

Hi Robenz

Would you have any simpathy for someone who only became a Nazi because he was born in that country as a German?

It's easy to use the evil that Nazi's did as examples to justify war but in recent years America and England have gone into countries under the Heading of "war" slaughtering countless thousands of men, women and children when those nations haven't even sent one weapon our way. Their "potential" threat was enough or their support of those that did sent the weapons was enough.

When a man is holding his dying child in his arms killed by a bomb dropped by Americans or English because they only thought his leaders had WMD(weapons of mass destruction) who is the monster?

At what point does the conquering hero become a slaughtering monster? When one innocent is killed or two? When you can justify the innocents killed against the end of a war?

It's learning that worldly wars solves nothing it only creates more wars. And we learn this from Jesus and from the Bible the principle of not killing of turning the other cheek.

Matthew 5:39
But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Luke 6:28 (New International Version)

28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.

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BIG WEEKEND JW NEWS STORY EXPOSES HEARTLESS CULT

by West70 in

the following newspaper article appears to be the original (and more lengthy and indepth) article from which associated press took their "summarized" (and less informative) story which is being picked up by a number of television stations and newspapers across the u.s. .

this better version should be forwarded to media outlets as a more informative version for their audience.

they also embrace political neutrality.

debator

The Marine quotes john 15:13

John 15:13 (New International Version)

13 Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

Yet his military choice would mean he would be killing his brothers in faith simply because they belong to a different nation.

What would happen if two men pointed a gun at each other spoke different languages, were told to kill each other, yet knew they worshiped the same God and where brothers under Jesus God's son? would they still kill each other?

YES, in this world we kill for national wars despite our Faith.

2 Corinthians 10:3
For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does.

We glamourise war in this world welcoming back the conquering heroes but do we ask them what it felt like to kill another human because you are told too and usually don't even know why?

Some of the worst attrocities this world has known have been done under the heading of "war" and it doesn't solve problems it just creates more. It creates a fear of man that means weapons have to be bigger and better until they become world obliterating things.

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Awake! says we can pray in Jesus' name!!!

by Leolaia in

according to this, jesus is not just the mediator of the 144,000 -- he's the mediator of mankind!!

and apparently "dear jesus" prayers are okay!

the watch tower says i can say, "dear jesus, you are my mediator as you are for all mankind..." "the bible clearly says that jesus christ is mankind's redeemer, so he is mankind's mediator.

debator

John 16:23
In that day you will no longer ask me anything. I tell you the truth, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.

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Another 144,000 Question

by Cold Steel in

okay, based on my reading, you're clearly better off being one of the 144,000. first, you get to reside in heaven, while everyone else is consigned to living on earth.

second, a spirit (in wts eschatology) is much better than being a flesh and bone human.

they can fly, read in a darkened room and they get to be with god for eternity.. but what of everyone else?

debator

The rest of "creation" await the end of 1000 years for the full blessings. Bear in mind that The bible calls the 144,000 the first-fruits which indicates more to come. whether it be heavenly or earthly

If being on a paradise earth was so Bad why did angels come to live on the earth before the flood when it wasn't even a paradise?

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Thought stopper: "We are the only ones doing what Jesus did."

by sabastious in

this is one of the top thought stopping phrases here.. it invalidates any argument presented against the organization.

it basically says this:.

"it doesn't matter who did what in the org, it doesn't matter how bad things get, we are the only ones doing what jesus did, therefore all errors and corruption are disregarded as we await the end.".

debator

Hi Bortherdan

We ask Jehovah in Jesus's name not Jesus directly.

John 16:23
In that day you will no longer ask me anything. I tell you the truth, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.

This is Jesus's own explanation unless you are calling him a liar?