comments you will not hear at the 07-11-10 wt study (may 15, 2010, pages 12-16)(women submit).
jehovah has established the orderly sequence that the apostle paul mentioned when he wrote that "the head of every man is the christ" and "the head of the christ is god.
what man is their head?.
Hi blondie
Fair enough, I wasn't going to post anymore and do not intend to after this one. I didn't realise your comments thread only allowed for people that agreed with your opinions! Let the readers judge for themselves from the official link I posted and the heavily edited wt you did, the actual truth of the points.
If like Mrs jones they prefer to believe in hearsay that is their choice rather than official checkable policy.
comments you will not hear at the 07-11-10 wt study (may 15, 2010, pages 12-16)(women submit).
jehovah has established the orderly sequence that the apostle paul mentioned when he wrote that "the head of every man is the christ" and "the head of the christ is god.
what man is their head?.
Hi blondie
Please don't rewrite my words for me.
I know of a few sisters that have separated due to abuse and had the elders support in this. The facts on the table are that in support of Bible principle separation is allowed when a wife is abused. Mistakes have been made by individual elders and as with all these situations the mistakes are remembered easily but not when things work out.
I will not judge witnesses on hearsay. You implied abused women could not separate in your first post I simply posted the facts that they are allowed to separate.
comments you will not hear at the 07-11-10 wt study (may 15, 2010, pages 12-16)(women submit).
jehovah has established the orderly sequence that the apostle paul mentioned when he wrote that "the head of every man is the christ" and "the head of the christ is god.
what man is their head?.
Hi blondie
Your out-of-context scripture on Jesus specifically talking about Jewish leaders aside.
Official writing is our position as witnesses on these biblically drawn principles. If individual elders do no do this then that is on their personal conscience.
I think you are also mixing older cultures with newer ones.
In times gone by marriage was strongly part of society now it is being filtered out on the whole. People did not leave marriages lightly then as they do now.
You seem to use a lot of "this maybe what elders say" but then point out personal generalised wrongdoings from individual elders (that are not our written policy drawn from the bible and it's principles) as things to cite against witnesses as a whole. but isn't this just supporting witnesses viewpoint that individuals can still act imperfectly against Bible principles?
i am slowly building a list of questions designed to help jw's "think" about the "truth".
please let me know if you think they can be refined or added to.. cheers,.
1. specifically, what was jesus looking for in 1918 when he looked upon the earth to identify his faithful and discrete slave?.
Why do you have to give people questions on here to confront witnesses with? Couldn't they think of questions for themselves?
comments you will not hear at the 07-11-10 wt study (may 15, 2010, pages 12-16)(women submit).
jehovah has established the orderly sequence that the apostle paul mentioned when he wrote that "the head of every man is the christ" and "the head of the christ is god.
what man is their head?.
Hi titus
I'm well. I'll be honest I do not come here that often.
comments you will not hear at the 07-11-10 wt study (may 15, 2010, pages 12-16)(women submit).
jehovah has established the orderly sequence that the apostle paul mentioned when he wrote that "the head of every man is the christ" and "the head of the christ is god.
what man is their head?.
God, the Originator of marriage, designed it to be a permanent union. But is there any Scriptural reason for a person to divorce his or her mate—and one that would allow for the possibility of remarrying? Jesus addressed this matter by declaring: "I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except on the ground of fornication, and marries another commits adultery." (Matthew 19:9) Sexual infidelity by a mate is the only ground for a divorce that will allow the innocent mate to remarry.
In addition, the Bible's words at 1 Corinthians 7:10-16, while encouraging marriage mates to stay together, allow for separation. Some, after trying very hard to preserve their marriage, feel they have no choice but to separate. What can be acceptable Scriptural grounds for such a step?
One is willful nonsupport. When getting married, a husband assumes the responsibility of providing for his wife and children. The man who willfully fails to provide the material necessities of life "has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith." (1 Timothy 5:8) So separation is possible.
Another is extreme physical abuse. So then, if a mate physically abuses his wife, the victim may separate. (Galatians 5:19-21; Titus 1:7) "Anyone loving violence [God's] soul certainly hates."—Psalm 11:5.
Another ground for separation is the absolute endangerment of a believer's spirituality—one's relationship with God. When a mate's opposition, perhaps including physical restraint, has made it impossible to pursue true worship and has imperiled the believer's spirituality, then some believers have found it necessary to separate.*—Matthew 22:37; Acts 5:27-32.
However, if divorce is pursued under such circumstances, one would not be free to enter a new marriage. According to the Bible, the only legitimate ground for divorce that permits remarriage is adultery or "fornication."—Matthew 5:32.
i'm trying to harmonize matt.
23:10 with hebrews 13:17. any thoughts?
or is this a contradiction?.
Hi wobble
Paul was an inspired writer! his words were considered scripture by the other writers.
2 Peter 3:16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
A governing structure can work. It's only men's imperfection that makes it hard. All the writers recognise this including John in revelation that fortells it.
10 And You have made them a kingdom (royal race) and priests to our God, and they shall reign [as kings] over the earth! (A)
greetings... and may you have peace!.
1. the witnesses are now out in full force doing "street work"... in light of christ's words at matthew 6:5?.
2. the "elders" etc., pray publicly, from the podium... in light of christ's words at matthew 6:6?.
Hi Isaac
epi is translated "over" lots of times.
rev 9:11 - [In Context|Read Chapter|Original Greek]
especially when the reigning over something is involved
greetings... and may you have peace!.
1. the witnesses are now out in full force doing "street work"... in light of christ's words at matthew 6:5?.
2. the "elders" etc., pray publicly, from the podium... in light of christ's words at matthew 6:6?.
Hi Psacramento
None of those are facts!
Jesus himself prayed in public so he was clearly clarifying that the motivation was the issue.
Throughout the centuries Judas presence at the last supper has been debated.
John 6 is not refering to the last supper but Jesus is talking about his death and sacrifice for us. Only people that ignore the context of Jesus's words and explanation believe this silliness. When talking at the last supper itself Jesus calls it a rememberance only. You are trying to link two separate accounts that are refering to the same event but not each other.
Jesus talked about "other sheep" as well.
John 10:16
I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
So christians rule over Jews on earth? So according to you Jews get earth and Christians get heaven?
Angel simply means "messenger" in hebrew the same word covers both. If Jesus is a messenger he is an angel. God's spirit sons are only called Angels as a job title they are more correctly spirit beings Jesus became more thean them by being the only one to "become flesh"
God's nature is spirit, Jesus's nature is spirit, Angels nature is spirit.
John 4:23-24
23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."
As Jesus himself says.
1 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: "Father, .....that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. Your so-called facts are only facts for those that ignore what the Bible actually says and listen to the doctrines of men.
greetings... and may you have peace!.
1. the witnesses are now out in full force doing "street work"... in light of christ's words at matthew 6:5?.
2. the "elders" etc., pray publicly, from the podium... in light of christ's words at matthew 6:6?.
Hi Isaac
amplified is not the only one.
The following translations also translate "epi" here as over:
- The New Testament in the Language of the People--C.B.Williams
- The New Testament in Modern Speech--Weymouth
- The Holy Scriptures, A New Translation from the Original Languages--Darby
- The Complete Bible in Modern English--Fenton
- The Holy Bible,A Translation From the Latin Vulgate in the Light of the Hebrew and Greek Originals--Knox
- The Modern Language Bible-New Berkeley Version
- The Bible, An American Translation--Goodspeed.
- The Amplified Bible
- The Unvarnished New Testament--Gaus.
- Holy Bible, An American Translation-- W.F.Beck.
- Compare also Marshall's Interlinear which says under the word 'epi' at Rev.5:10 - "on(?over)"
See also these well known Greek-English Lexicons:
- A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature by Arndt and Gingrich(p.286)-- b.fig.-a.over of power,authority,control of or over someone or someth.......Rv 5:10. and
- The New Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament(p.231)--A.with the GENITIVE.... d.fig.used of things,affairs persons,which one is set over,over which he exercises power.....Rev.[5].10.
in every case "epi" means "over", eg., Luke 1:33; Acts7:18.
luke 1: 33 and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom.”
Clearly then, those translations that translate EPI as "over" at Revelation 5.10 are the more accurate in conveying the meaning of the original.
