hi, i'm a bit of a lurker on this site occasionally, just to help me understand my jw relative.
i am so curious to ask this question, but i fear asking a practicing jw, because you know, they can be a tad evasive, and maybe defensive too.
lutherans say.
Hi elderette
What is your point? I do help those around me as I can. Do I send a fat check to a big charity and pat myself on the back afterwards as being a good Christian from that? No.
Caring for others is more than just feeding the poor and hungry (even though this is a very worthy thing). We as christians are obligated to more than this.
1 Corinthians 13:3
If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
hi, i'm a bit of a lurker on this site occasionally, just to help me understand my jw relative.
i am so curious to ask this question, but i fear asking a practicing jw, because you know, they can be a tad evasive, and maybe defensive too.
lutherans say.
DD why ask baited questions?
Underserved kindness or Grace cannot be gained by any works! If someone has real faith they have works! it's as simple as that! The criminal at his death showed faith in Jesus and his words where works that faith inspired and he is comforted by that promise as we are of a paradise earth.
What faith do you have?
encouraging people to keep building up their faith is biblical.
Jude 1:20-21
20 But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit. 21 Keep yourselves in God's love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
debator (or any other current jw on the board),.
will you please explain to me the understanding of how the 7 trumpet blasts in revelation were fulfilled?
has it already happened?
Hi brotherdan
Are we jumping to Armageddon now? I thought we were discussing the 7 trumpet blasts?
Because Armageddon is a predicted flood type event by Jesus and the apostles and is only the second time that we do fully see God's judgement on a worldly scale in a predicted literal way. This is not the same as events in the 7 trumpets that are very symbolic. But if you wish to confuse the two that is your choice.
If you quote Isaac's skewed "hananiah is a false prophet and so are you" opinion in your letter you will only show yourself as being ignorant of the Bible.
A false prophet by the definition of deut 18 has to claim to speak the very words of God himself basically claiming to be inspired, getting visions or words directly from Jehovah. Did hananiah do this?
Jeremiah 28:1-2
1 In the fifth month of that same year, the fourth year, early in the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, the prophet Hananiah son of Azzur, who was from Gibeon, said to me in the house of Jehovah in the presence of the priests and all the people: 2 "This is what Jehovah Almighty, the God of Israel, says: 'I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon.
Yes! he did he wasn't intepreting already written scripture but claiming to say words directly from God himself! Witnesses have never claimed the ability to see visions, to be inspired, to be able to speak directly to Jehovah.
So whoever reads your letter will see that you simply have a faulty Bible knowledge and have been fooled by someone who likes to make claims that the scriptures he quotes actually disprove.
according to jws, evolution is false.
so how do they explain these human-like fossils?.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/human_evolution.
Hi Leolaia My point still stands. Whether hey find what they are looking for or not and since oceanic fossils are the largest group (the least effected by he flood event) they are very predictive and adaptive but they are still reading their framework into it. lobe-fin fish are an example of this. Showing what happens when they get it wrong thinking a fin adaption is the next stage in evolution but ends up being just another fin adaption. They are hampered by seeing the skeleton and not the animal and they "see" what they want to see. It is the starting framewark that is the problem one that throws away what they cannot use as proof as they did the lobe-fin fish and move on to newer searches.
a textual commentary on the greek new testament, by bruce m. metzger.
chm file (e book), 1.25mb.
http://anonym-to.com/?http://rapidshare.com/files/100421737/textual_commentary-greek_new_testament.rar.
Hi Possible-san
The contradiction is simply too great and it isn't only the witnesses that drop the "me"
23 In that day you will no longer ask me anything. I tell you the truth, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.
to keep the "me" makes Jesus a liar.
debator (or any other current jw on the board),.
will you please explain to me the understanding of how the 7 trumpet blasts in revelation were fulfilled?
has it already happened?
Hi Brotherdan
firstly Prophecy is a specific thing pertaining to getting prophetic words, visions straight from God himself. Are you saying the prophecies in Revelation are false ones?
Interpreting actual bible prophecy even if wrong does not make you a false prophet it just makes you wrong and needing refinement. Your definition is from your opinion not the bible. Nowhere in the bible does it say "interpret these bible prophecies correctly or else you are a false prophet."
Your looking for literal fulfillment of these prophecies that are extremely graphic in content? and people call witnesses blood thirsty!
Jews expected a literal firework fulfillment they got a messiah that disappointed in his lack of spectacular fireworks. Is that what you want spectacular firework fulfillment?
As for timing of them? The continued lack of repentence of men in the prophecy speaks more of these times rather that tribulation when they realise too late their wrongdoing.
I should mention now that the quiet non-hysterical practical approach of witnesses to prophecy intepretation is another reason I am one.
Nothing I read in the Bible about already fulfilled prophecies show that Jehovah goes in for pleasing the masses and showmanship. Prophecy fulfillment is always straightforward to the point.
debator (or any other current jw on the board),.
will you please explain to me the understanding of how the 7 trumpet blasts in revelation were fulfilled?
has it already happened?
I think it does fit because the step to believing in Jehovah Almighty God and separating ourselves from the delusions that blinded Christendom for 1900 years or so is a big one and would be marked in prophecy.
Like I said it is unrealistic of people to expect fulfillments that is pleasing the expectaions of men rather than God. On the contrary Bible fulfillment has always been more subtle than that.
There is nothing wrong with having confidence tha you are God's people and prophecy will be fulfilled among you. Were he jews being narcissistic?
Then we have the million dollar question if oudoub this interpreation wha is the right one and who or what does it concern.
according to jws, evolution is false.
so how do they explain these human-like fossils?.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/human_evolution.
Hi poopsie
I am not critising their geology only there bias and history. I don't have to be a geologist to that.
They are making very BIG claims from a record they admit themselves is incomplete and one they goto with pre-existing framework that contaminate any results they get because they only apply them to that framework.
Scientists basically say "It doesn't matter about that past point we hailed as proof but have now disgarded. Now we have even greater proof in this one." And that is the history of Darwinism in a nutshell. Old gives way to new and ever more complex theology of scientific possibilities until a new set comes along.
according to jws, evolution is false.
so how do they explain these human-like fossils?.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/human_evolution.
Hi bohm
"failed prophecies" your prejudice screams out just there from that expression alone. Witnesses have not made one single prophecy! I can say that completely truthfully and you cannot produce one single Prophecy from them.
Interpreting EXISTING Bible prophecies is not making an actual prophecy.
according to jws, evolution is false.
so how do they explain these human-like fossils?.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/human_evolution.
Hi bohn
Your trying to draw me into speculation about the flood! The Bible says there was one and racial memory of a flood supports this, from one end of the earth to another.
Since the requirements to know what a world-wide flood would do to the earth would be to have it redone (including the original conditions) to see the consequences. I cannot see how anyone would know without flooding the world again what it's geological fingerprint would be.
Maybe they are looking for something small when they should be looking for huge. Or maybe looking right at it but not seeing it for what it is.
I'm not a geologist and to try and pretend I am is just silly. But as I said before whether they are looking for proof or disproof starting from either viewpoint makes for a biased position when then looking at the evidence and so will contaminate the results.
