most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
Hi yourmoma
You talk about logical fallicies, does that mean you would recognise them when use like the loaded question of this particular thread title?
Is it honest to call witnesses a Cult when Governments, Supreme courts and human rights groups all deny this?
Who is being dishonest here?
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
Isaac
if you are making points to me please use my name or you simply may not get a reply it is hard enough wading through tons of replies to debator without looking for whatever bazaar name you are using for me.
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
Hi misery
I do appreciate your points of view on here and enjoy reading your posts but don't you recognise the loaded quality of your question?
, how would you define them considering the amount of control they wish to exert upon their publishers? How would you define their secrecy and fear of dissention, and intellectual criticizm? Is it safe to say that if they're not a cult, they're at the least a high control group?
look at all the assumptions of guilt you put on them in it! Everything highlighted in black is a loaded point.
We are not controliing! We have to administer God's moral law so the question is..Is God's moral law controlling? We are God's publishers not their publishers. What secrecy? Everything we teach and tought is published to the eighth degree I get headaches from the amount of publications quoted on here from the last 100 years or so (never mind the referencing scriptures for everything we teach in principle or basic law).
fear of dissention? can a religion even function with division as the norm? the fact we have thousands of denominations today is proof that pandering to division just leads to a fractured faith. We are all told to agree with each other under our shepherds this is a personal responsibility to each of us not just our shepherds.
1 Corinthians 1:10
I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.
Intellectual criticism from whom? On the whole people on this forum don't challenge our bible drawn doctrines just our having shepherds. the critisism is usually on functionality of the congregation rather than what we believe. The point always being to try and dismember the need for an authoritive structure within the flock which simply isn't biblical.
High control? Living by God's moral law means submitting to a specific lifestyle which is stricter than the current immoral world can ever understand. Is it high control to recognise this authority?
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
hi nickolas
nice scripture
Proverbs 15:31
He who listens to a life-giving rebuke will be at home among the wise.
Titus 2:15
These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
Hi poppers
They are accountable for how they use their authority or lack of use too.
Hebrews 13:17
Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you.
But if your opinion is they do not do a good job well that is only indicative of your opinion. I think they do a pretty fine job considering the pressure to conform to current immoral pressures on all religions so they longer live by God's moral laws.
i believe it was jim penton who mentioned that even the more knowledgeable dubbies only know about 25 or so bible verses well enough to cite book, chapter, verse and can cite those verses verbatim.
some years ago, i started a thread on that very subject and only came up with about 25 verses i myself remembered when i was a dubbie.
i was considered quite the bible "scholar" back in the day, too!
We don't buy or sell wts anymore not for years now and it was only nominal when we did just to cover the printing costs.
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
Hi misery
thank you for seeing my point of view but I didn't fall for the loaded question of this titled forum do you think I would fall for a more detailed one from you?
I do not agree with any of those points.
There are two laws we as humans live by
Secular law
Moral law
The government by God's allowance are abiters of secular law atm And Jesus God's son made our shepherds which we choose from among ourselves as administrators of God's moral law for the whole flock.
I willingly subject myself to God's moral law.
You have no problem recognising the authority of governments given secular law so why do have a problem with shepherds that help us live by God's moral laws?
what was it like to live in the 1950's 1960's and early 70's as a jehovah witness.when they started to push the 1975 date..
!975 was a phenomenon that swept through all of the witnesses because they hoped it would happen when 6000 years of man's existence was marked since Adam. but hope isn't doctrine and the bible doesn't condemn for hope.
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
Hi wannabe
According to most governments, human right courts and in fact supreme courts as well, witnesses are not a cult but apparently that means nothing compared to the opinion of ex-Jws on here!
Hi Nickolas
in this case the governments you vote for agree with me that Witnesses are not a cult, are they crap too in your opinion?
what was it like to live in the 1950's 1960's and early 70's as a jehovah witness.when they started to push the 1975 date..
HI Ding
thank you
for posting watchtowers that confirm that though they were enthusiatic about '75 they did not teach that Armageddon would specifically happen then,
