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At what point did you realize JW's were a Cult?

by Think About It in

most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.

althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.

finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.

debator

Hi psacrmento

Your viewpoint is simply convicting them before the trial. Assumption of guilt. which is hardly objective.

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At what point did you realize JW's were a Cult?

by Think About It in

most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.

althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.

finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.

debator

Hi bohm

This debate isn't if Cults exist? or even how they are defined? You already said it was a sliding scale and that all groups have cult-like tendencies to varying degrees which either makes them all cults or all not cults. Is America cult because it makes people say the pledge of allegience on pain of imprisonment?

There obviously is a current world standard of Cult which the Witnesses simply do not conform too hense why Governments, Supreme courts and human rights groups do not consider us a cult. Are you trying to redefine what these Authorities accept as a cult or not?

Are you saying these Authorities (one of which you voted for) do not correctly define cults because they have not made witnesses one? that is rather circular reasoning you know?

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At what point did you realize JW's were a Cult?

by Think About It in

most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.

althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.

finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.

debator

I will say this Isaac

Your posts are interesting

Is Jesus just a magic wand we wave to save ourselves? and all he taught is irrelevent? Which seems to be the point you are making. To you that scripture means simply Unity under jesus but not in belief? lol even for you that is a weird argument?

On saying that, the recent visit from the pope and watching various religious heads trying to tango with each other. That is maybe were they are heading. Rejection of unity of belief in favour of Jesus as a talisman.

The actual Bible is always the sticking point of this argument which would make the bible irrelevent. All we would need a one page with Jesus's name on it.

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At what point did you realize JW's were a Cult?

by Think About It in

most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.

althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.

finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.

debator

Hi yourmoma

You talk about logical fallicies, does that mean you would recognise them when use like the loaded question of this particular thread title?

Is it honest to call witnesses a Cult when Governments, Supreme courts and human rights groups all deny this?

Who is being dishonest here?

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At what point did you realize JW's were a Cult?

by Think About It in

most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.

althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.

finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.

debator

Isaac

if you are making points to me please use my name or you simply may not get a reply it is hard enough wading through tons of replies to debator without looking for whatever bazaar name you are using for me.

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At what point did you realize JW's were a Cult?

by Think About It in

most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.

althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.

finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.

debator

Hi misery

I do appreciate your points of view on here and enjoy reading your posts but don't you recognise the loaded quality of your question?

, how would you define them considering the amount of control they wish to exert upon their publishers? How would you define their secrecy and fear of dissention, and intellectual criticizm? Is it safe to say that if they're not a cult, they're at the least a high control group?

look at all the assumptions of guilt you put on them in it! Everything highlighted in black is a loaded point.

We are not controliing! We have to administer God's moral law so the question is..Is God's moral law controlling? We are God's publishers not their publishers. What secrecy? Everything we teach and tought is published to the eighth degree I get headaches from the amount of publications quoted on here from the last 100 years or so (never mind the referencing scriptures for everything we teach in principle or basic law).

fear of dissention? can a religion even function with division as the norm? the fact we have thousands of denominations today is proof that pandering to division just leads to a fractured faith. We are all told to agree with each other under our shepherds this is a personal responsibility to each of us not just our shepherds.

1 Corinthians 1:10
I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.

Intellectual criticism from whom? On the whole people on this forum don't challenge our bible drawn doctrines just our having shepherds. the critisism is usually on functionality of the congregation rather than what we believe. The point always being to try and dismember the need for an authoritive structure within the flock which simply isn't biblical.

High control? Living by God's moral law means submitting to a specific lifestyle which is stricter than the current immoral world can ever understand. Is it high control to recognise this authority?

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At what point did you realize JW's were a Cult?

by Think About It in

most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.

althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.

finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.

debator

hi nickolas

nice scripture

Proverbs 15:31
He who listens to a life-giving rebuke will be at home among the wise.

Titus 2:15
These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

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At what point did you realize JW's were a Cult?

by Think About It in

most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.

althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.

finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.

debator

Hi poppers

They are accountable for how they use their authority or lack of use too.

Hebrews 13:17
Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you.

But if your opinion is they do not do a good job well that is only indicative of your opinion. I think they do a pretty fine job considering the pressure to conform to current immoral pressures on all religions so they longer live by God's moral laws.

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Take the dubbie Bible Knowledge Challenge!

by Farkel in

i believe it was jim penton who mentioned that even the more knowledgeable dubbies only know about 25 or so bible verses well enough to cite book, chapter, verse and can cite those verses verbatim.

some years ago, i started a thread on that very subject and only came up with about 25 verses i myself remembered when i was a dubbie.

i was considered quite the bible "scholar" back in the day, too!

debator

We don't buy or sell wts anymore not for years now and it was only nominal when we did just to cover the printing costs.

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At what point did you realize JW's were a Cult?

by Think About It in

most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.

althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.

finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.

debator

Hi misery

thank you for seeing my point of view but I didn't fall for the loaded question of this titled forum do you think I would fall for a more detailed one from you?

I do not agree with any of those points.

There are two laws we as humans live by

Secular law

Moral law

The government by God's allowance are abiters of secular law atm And Jesus God's son made our shepherds which we choose from among ourselves as administrators of God's moral law for the whole flock.

I willingly subject myself to God's moral law.

You have no problem recognising the authority of governments given secular law so why do have a problem with shepherds that help us live by God's moral laws?