Posts by debator

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Are they really that bad???

by anonymous4 in

had a good look into the doctrine, beliefs and practices of jws and to be honest, i don't really see anything wrong with it at all.. it's biblical and i've had such an eye opener the past year or so reading some of their books and magazines .

is there really any real reasons why i shouldn't want to get involved further?

:-).

debator

Hi Bohm

The watchtowers and other publications are to support the Bible and they are never said to be inspired which means they do have to be refined all the time.

I have never denied this! The watchtowers refer us to the Bible and People can check for themselves if the correct interpretation or teaching is in line with the Bible's words or a bible principle.

Cultural points that need new issues (not specifically mentioned by the Bible) checked against bible principles and prophecy which needs checking to see if it is being fulfilled in the world around us can be changing all the time. They are both easy targets for apostates!

Do we just ignore these issues? that wouldn't be correct. As I said the publications among other things highlight new cultural issues that need to be held against basic Bible principles

I answered your questions but I just clarified them as well, which you didn't like since you are clearly either saying God's people are meant to be perfect which we are not. Or that we shouldn't use supportive literature which in it's uninspired state can have errors which happen. Since the Bible itself quotes from unispired books and highlights Christians being supportive with unispired writtings to each other I cannot see your point here either.

It is only anti-witnesses that make a lot of our publication changes and refinement which are a necessity for God's people. No modern day issue could be addressed if we didn't understand the issue of using Bible principles and prophecy would also be a non-starter.

Your agenda is in the examples you chose and your avoidance of our main Bible drawn teachings!

And by just sticking to prophecy and culture issues. I find this very slippery of you Bohm but Your not the only one on these that does this. These are common tactics on here. So I do not point you out as a special case you are only repeating what you have been taught from these sites.

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Are they really that bad???

by anonymous4 in

had a good look into the doctrine, beliefs and practices of jws and to be honest, i don't really see anything wrong with it at all.. it's biblical and i've had such an eye opener the past year or so reading some of their books and magazines .

is there really any real reasons why i shouldn't want to get involved further?

:-).

debator

Hi Bohm

Because your agenda is very obvious!

Have we needed refinement from mistaken understandings in the past? yes and this we will admit ourselves.

Why is this answer not anough for you?

I won't use "right and wrong" or "true and false" when "Right" or "true" in regards to prophecy is impossible to prove until Armageddon.

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Are they really that bad???

by anonymous4 in

had a good look into the doctrine, beliefs and practices of jws and to be honest, i don't really see anything wrong with it at all.. it's biblical and i've had such an eye opener the past year or so reading some of their books and magazines .

is there really any real reasons why i shouldn't want to get involved further?

:-).

debator

Hi outlaw

Since 99% of current Bible translations have to conform to trinitarian exegesis to the detriment of purer translations of Bible texts from the original languages. I have no problem in saying it.

ehh you won't find any English word in the bible Outlaw they weren't written in English!

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Are they really that bad???

by anonymous4 in

had a good look into the doctrine, beliefs and practices of jws and to be honest, i don't really see anything wrong with it at all.. it's biblical and i've had such an eye opener the past year or so reading some of their books and magazines .

is there really any real reasons why i shouldn't want to get involved further?

:-).

debator

Hi Bohm

Yes I did say that and I still say that. But prophecy is beyond the Bible in fulfilment because we have to look for fulfillment outside the Bible. So the conclusions are drawn from correllating what is happening in the world around us in regards to what the Bible says will prophetically happen.

It is why it is such an easy target for anti-witnesses.

I think Jehovah's witnesses have been blessed with the most Biblical truth but I have never claimed perfection for Witnesses or that they are free of mistakes.

If you want a perfect people at this time Bohm you are searching for the impossible and that is a fact.

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Are they really that bad???

by anonymous4 in

had a good look into the doctrine, beliefs and practices of jws and to be honest, i don't really see anything wrong with it at all.. it's biblical and i've had such an eye opener the past year or so reading some of their books and magazines .

is there really any real reasons why i shouldn't want to get involved further?

:-).

debator

Hi 3mygod

1 john 5:7 additions, John 1:1, absence of YHWH/Jehovah nearly 7000 times, Cross instead of stauros/stake and the list goes on.....

Go have fun with trinitarian theology that has rewritten the majority of translations today. Before you throw stones of personal opinion at the NWT

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Are they really that bad???

by anonymous4 in

had a good look into the doctrine, beliefs and practices of jws and to be honest, i don't really see anything wrong with it at all.. it's biblical and i've had such an eye opener the past year or so reading some of their books and magazines .

is there really any real reasons why i shouldn't want to get involved further?

:-).

debator

HI hoffnung

ehhhh Do you only accept the greek scriptures as the Bible?

I use the whole bible as a Jehovah's witness! If you limit yourself to only part of the Bible you will be severely handicapped spiritually.

Jesus himself references the paradise but he also asks for God's will to be done "on earth as it is in heaven" as a main goal, If we all fly off to happy heaven why would he even bother to say that?

The Hebrew scriptures are the framework the Greek scriptures are built upon, the shadow of things to come. To ignore them is plain silly and you end up with Christendom's fruitage of complete dis-unity of teaching.

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Are they really that bad???

by anonymous4 in

had a good look into the doctrine, beliefs and practices of jws and to be honest, i don't really see anything wrong with it at all.. it's biblical and i've had such an eye opener the past year or so reading some of their books and magazines .

is there really any real reasons why i shouldn't want to get involved further?

:-).

debator

Hi bohm

I am just avoiding your loaded question as a fallacy point.

I am debating your whole premise that right and wrong is an issue with prophecy!

I do not accept your loaded question!

Prophecy is only 100% in hindsight this is a biblical fact! so "Right" can only be established after Armageddon and so arguing over how wrong wrong can be, instead of recognising that Witnesses did not to wallow in former understandings and could move on to greater understanding of what is meant by prophecies is the point.

Being able to be refined and being constantly refined is a mark of God's people.

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Is the WTBTS having cash flow problems?

by JW GoneBad in

i was at a 2 day circuit assembly this weekend and i was surprised at how many times mention was made directly or indirectly reminding those in attendance (1,600) of the need to give $$$.

even in the soliloquies or skits they seemed to work in the need to give $$$.. it made me wonder if the society is having 'cash flow' problems and hence is desparate for cash.

over the years that i've attended conventions and assemblies the need to give $$$ has been subtle (imo), til now.

debator

Hi listener

since I have a witness friend that has only recently come back from haiti and helping out there I know for a fact you are sadly mistaken.

Remember this though we are not paying out donations to take the responsibility off our shoulders! Whether we donate or not. We ourselves have a personal responsibility to others in need around us.

If you felt an elderly widowed sister in the congregation was neglected why didn't you go and call on her offering help?

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Are they really that bad???

by anonymous4 in

had a good look into the doctrine, beliefs and practices of jws and to be honest, i don't really see anything wrong with it at all.. it's biblical and i've had such an eye opener the past year or so reading some of their books and magazines .

is there really any real reasons why i shouldn't want to get involved further?

:-).

debator

Hi pirata

The measure is the Bible as to whether either point of view is correct.

The current debate on here is that simply interpreting (already written) bible prophecy incorrectly is false prophecy according to some anti-witnesses. Whereas the Bible shows in the whole of Duet 18 that false prophecy is in regards of those that claim to be able to utter words directly from God himself.

If you want an informed decision check what Witnesses say and anti-witnesses say against God's word the Bible itself.

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Are they really that bad???

by anonymous4 in

had a good look into the doctrine, beliefs and practices of jws and to be honest, i don't really see anything wrong with it at all.. it's biblical and i've had such an eye opener the past year or so reading some of their books and magazines .

is there really any real reasons why i shouldn't want to get involved further?

:-).

debator

Hi wasblind

The Bible is very clear on this! You have to falsely claim to be inspired of God to be a false prophet. However much confidence you have in a bible interpretation of an ALREADY WRITTEN BIBLE PROPHECY! this is not claiming inspiration... the ability to speak unique, never uttered before, prophetic words directly from God himself.

I am just repeating myself now.