Posts by JT

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Who really is the FDS?!?!?!?!?

by LDH in

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hey all, hope you're having a great year so far.. before witnet was closed down, there was an interesting discussion regarding the fds and their failed prophecies.

i asked a question, but unfortunately there wasn't enought time to get everyone's view.. so i'll rephrase my posts, and wait to hear from y'all.. if we are so quick to say that the fds is a false prophet because of some failed prophecies (even tho they say they don't prophecy, we all know better) then how would you explain the bible book of jonah?.

a faithful prophet, jonah, followed (after much trial and tribulation to himself) jehovah's command to declare destruction on the city of nineveh.

JT

JT, are you saying then that the early Christians did not get together periodically for study of God's Word, I think the scriptures tell us differently
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no i am not, but then again it depends on how one views the "Scriptures"

i assume and perhaps wrongly, correct me if i'm wrong- but you personally look to the "Scriptures" for your life's directions

which is fine with me- but all persons do not-

personally i see very little difference in most belief systems- christian, muslium,etc

some are more high control than others perhaps but they all for the most part share the same common thread

"We got the Hookup with god over here and you don't"

is the basic line of reasoning you will find in most

i have always enjoyed the old

"just different roads to god" routine that is used by those who prefer not to be TOO Dogmatic in thier stance while most others are VERY DOGMATIC

"IF you AIN'T with us you die, burn ,go to he!!, etc"

they always got somewhere bad for the folks to go, who don't buy thier Brand of Religion

this is what you will always notice in almost all belief systems

most belief systems have historically used some form of "FEAR" to keep folks in line and i will agree with you on this

it has worked very well from the begining of time i guess.

just my thought on organized religion in general

you will always find in most faith some dude or dudes who are in charge and folks who are willing to follow even if it is Goofy

religion will often times mix some very outstanding qualities such as kindness, helping out the poor which are excellent things for any person to do, then they sprinkle in some Goofy stuff and most folks are taken in by the nice parts and close their eyes to the bad parts

but if it helps you and others get thru your day, cope with lifes challenges all good and well

just my 2

JT

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Who really is the FDS?!?!?!?!?

by LDH in

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hey all, hope you're having a great year so far.. before witnet was closed down, there was an interesting discussion regarding the fds and their failed prophecies.

i asked a question, but unfortunately there wasn't enought time to get everyone's view.. so i'll rephrase my posts, and wait to hear from y'all.. if we are so quick to say that the fds is a false prophet because of some failed prophecies (even tho they say they don't prophecy, we all know better) then how would you explain the bible book of jonah?.

a faithful prophet, jonah, followed (after much trial and tribulation to himself) jehovah's command to declare destruction on the city of nineveh.

JT

Trevor

your thoughts are the same as my wife and i-

as my wife just sat here and said

after attending all those meetings 3 /4 times a week why in world would someone want to willingly go back to sitting in more meetings

smile

enjoyed your post

JT

23

Silentlambs-abuse

by Venice in

i've seen some posts here regaring child abuse, pedophila and such.

i'm sure most of you are aware of the poster knon as 'silentlambs' and his posts on h2o and other boards.

here's some links if you missed the posts.

JT

you are on the money- the legal desk knows exactly what they said and meant

where the law doesn't require it they don't do it

but they have always operated that way

case in point- when the donationa arrangement was annouced i'm sure you --like myslef and most other jw esp those of us who live in the usa thought that ALL COUNTRIES went to this arrangement-

i personally stated from the platform,

"Bro this shows how Deeeeeeeep we are in the last days , for here we see the slave making all the literature FREE so folks can get the good news and not have an excuse"
of course we found out later we could not say FREE and we also found out the POOOOOOOOOREST OF THE POOR countries still had to pay for thier mags

MY POINT IS the Boys on the Legal Desk have to play musical chairs as the net makes it possible for different gov to see how wt has different rules for different countries in view of the FACT they they are always bragging about thier UNITY yea right

it remains me of an article in the Washington Post last week of how the drug companies in the USA test thier drugs in Africa and China and how they don't even tell folks what is in the drugs many times

in other words they do things over there that they would never even dream of doing over here due to all the Johnny Cochrans of the Legal world

same with wt they do one thing here and another thing there, but the net allows all jw and nonjw to see they have different rules and they try to play folks with thier games

so we will see

JT

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Silentlambs-abuse

by Venice in

i've seen some posts here regaring child abuse, pedophila and such.

i'm sure most of you are aware of the poster knon as 'silentlambs' and his posts on h2o and other boards.

here's some links if you missed the posts.

JT

I'd like to see those guys on the Service Desk -
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I thought i would give my old roommate a call this AM to see if he was in his office

he works the Service Desk at Patterson.

we spoke for about 15-20min- he is an interesting guy- he will agree with you on every error the wt has ever done, but believes like many of those guys in Service and Writing that as soon as the "OLD GUARD" dies off

the needed changes will come about-
I mentioned to him about the newscast out of KY-

as he put it

we got the right man to address those issues- JR Brown

a few days ago i mentioned JR Brown in my GB dies post- this guy is one of the New VP of one of the new corps they recently formed

He is real tight with Larry Gramham out in LA- he gets flown all over the place by Larry -

Larry Picked up the tab on a Cruise down to the Islands a couple of yrs back.

he used to be a DO ----they called him off the road due to him starting to have a following of black bro- he served all the main black urban areas Chicago, Harlem, Cleveland, etc

this guy is the splitting image of Louis Farkann of "The Nation of Isslam"

he has to be the best speaker i have ever heard and folks would come from miles around when they heard he was speaking-

well he has been moved from Writing to heading up the PR Dept along with a White Bro who is a perfect Clone of him -James Pelacia
( something like that) he also does alot of the press releases as well

he is a former CO- i recall the day he and his wife came into bethel

he had to be the Cooliest white bro i have ever met- his wife is a German Gal- my man suits just lay on him -smile

so as my roommate put it with these 2 guys taking care of the media
they will be able to clear up questions and i will admit these 2 guys are good at SPIN CONTROL

SO we will see just how good they are- my roommate is of the mindset of "Why Bite the Hand that Feeds YOU" and since he is flown around the country at circuits expense he goes with the Flow

there are lots of guys up there who know things are out in left field

but they have put in 15-20-30 yrs and have no where to go they feel

so they stay and keep the masses of jw saying "The King has on clothes"

how sad

i only hope that the bro in ky has prepared himself and family for what is about to happen to him
i understand the congo only has 50 pub and most of them are probably related

we are indeed living in exciting times

JT

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GB dies???

by JT in

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posted by ernest [ernest] on january 03, 2001 at 14:44:39 {l6c8f8mpkkj.cgracl3y0abnmpk0su}: .

dear friends, .

1/3/01 it was announced at morning worship today that brother karl klein, .

JT

this is really a nice site , i look forward to hearing more about yours as well as others exp in the Wonderful World of Watchtower
or is that Disney

smile

JT

26

GB dies???

by JT in

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posted by ernest [ernest] on january 03, 2001 at 14:44:39 {l6c8f8mpkkj.cgracl3y0abnmpk0su}: .

dear friends, .

1/3/01 it was announced at morning worship today that brother karl klein, .

JT

thank you as well,

sometimes you just need to get it out of your system
by telling others what you have exp

it's good for ones Peace of Mind---smile

thanks for listening

cu

JT

26

GB dies???

by JT in

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posted by ernest [ernest] on january 03, 2001 at 14:44:39 {l6c8f8mpkkj.cgracl3y0abnmpk0su}: .

dear friends, .

1/3/01 it was announced at morning worship today that brother karl klein, .

JT

we see the same thing- smile

i often see folks leave wt only to do the very same thing all over again only this time the represent a different belief system
but the mindset is much the same

"I have found the Real "Truth" now that i have left wt and if you don't accept what we believe over here your soul is loss"

so we are back to where we started

i saw this thread on a fourm one time go for about 50 post over so Greek Word by 2 guys who both knew nothing about Greek

smile

so for me--

"If your belief system gets you thru your day, lifts your spirit and helps you cope with the challenges of each day- THEN GREAT"

BUT I really have no desire to argue over stuff- "NOW I USED TO", but not anymore

takes to much time and energy

smile
cu

JT

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GB dies???

by JT in

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posted by ernest [ernest] on january 03, 2001 at 14:44:39 {l6c8f8mpkkj.cgracl3y0abnmpk0su}: .

dear friends, .

1/3/01 it was announced at morning worship today that brother karl klein, .

JT

THANKS

but i find that we all have so many life exp by being involved with WT

life exp that i wonder will we ever really leave behind

i have read post by bro who left in the 70's and yet wt right down till this day has had an impact on them

i know this is a bad example perhaps , but it is sorta like the victims during hitler time-

even though many of them went on to do well "Money wise" perhaps

the pain and suffering they underwent will go with them to thier grave

and much like many of us- what we have gone thru will be with us for the rest of our lives

that is why forums like this at least provide some form of Closure for many of us

i too look forward to the things you have to share as well

cu

JT

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GB dies???

by JT in

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posted by ernest [ernest] on january 03, 2001 at 14:44:39 {l6c8f8mpkkj.cgracl3y0abnmpk0su}: .

dear friends, .

1/3/01 it was announced at morning worship today that brother karl klein, .

JT

was your husband at the farm or down in brooklyn

i was in BROOKLYN-

assigned to a congreation up in Harlem- THE HOOD

SMILE

jt

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Documented Abuses by WT

by JT in

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i have read a number of post here and the pain and suffering that wt has inflicted on so many folks is truly sad.

awhile back a poster made the following comments about wt abuses and i wanted to share them with you for they are so true and so sad.

enjoy.

JT

well stated indeed

it does hurt when you find out that your entire life has been a lie

for me it was so hard coming to grips with the fact that i will Grow Old- all my life i used to say "My only fear would be to grow old and get sick and die"

i would look at the older friends as they struggle to climb steps in service, etc and i i knew that according to the FDS the Generation of 1914 would not die off completely

when they changed the "Promise" that God had made , it was like having a rug riped out from under you

i truly think that in the next 10 yrs esp in the western countries the JW kids will leave in droves- most adult jw are in fear of the NET- but these kids will be so comfortable with the Net it will not be funny

when you consider that so many jw youth rebell any old way - what do you think it will be like for a jw kid "Armed" with the truth about WT

man thier folks will not be able to tell them nothing

i can see it now on the family study:

DAD the kids at school say we used to teach that the end would come in 1925

no son that ain't true - the society NEVER SAID THAT -
then the kid pulls out the old articles that the kids printed out for him at school
and the dad goes into the: BOY what you doing with Apostate Material

but dad it's from the society's own publications

boy throw that stuff away - it could bring demons into our home

can you see this kid staying around after his 18th birthday with a jw father reacting that way

smile

i personally know bro right now who will not read anything printed out that came off the net , even if it is printed WORD FOR WORD FROM the publications due to the fear that wt has instilled in them

that will not be the case for the young jw of the high tech age

cu

JT