Posts by JT

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A first for me

by thinkers wife in

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how wonderful!!!

i am so glad some have finally had this realization.

hopefully, thinker and i will get to meet some too.

I can't express enough how much this forum is doing for me. When I am down, this place picks me up with encouraging words not guilt. There's no "get over it" or "stop feeling sorry for yourself" or "get out in service more, so you don't dwell on your problems". (like that ever fixed any of them)

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one of the keys to getting out of wt is called IN MY VIEW

a CONFIRMATION - once you realize that all you saw, felt and thought while in wt had no relationship with your LACK OF LOVE OF GOD

it is truly a wonderful feeling

the do more do more mindset of NEVER ANY DOWN TIME is wearing very hard on the remaining jw

that is why we are seeing more jw who are still loyal going on about thier lives more and more

many are letting thier kids go to college - they themselves are getting more education by enrolling in community college , etc

they miss more meeeting with less feellig of guilt and they are questioning more and more

and despite the fact they still remain it shows the Grip of WT is weaking-

one can only wonder what will happen in 10yrs

but once a person gets a confirmation they are on thier way to real freedom

james

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Problems after JWism

by chrisauld in

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hi everyone, i'd just lke to see if anyone has experienced any of the problems i have as a result of leaving j-dubs.. i know that it is quite common for people to have anxiety or 'panic' attacks.

these are when a person feels uncomfortable in a certain situation that can result in them feeling as if they are about to die.. i have noticed that since leaving, i have had quite a few of these attacks.

i don't know if it is coinsidence or attributed to.... i tend to get them in social situations, whether it be on a bus, just generally talking to people, walking down the street, eating at tables with people.. i have had to go to the doctor because i have had heart palpitations(fast heart beating).

JT

mgm says

Chris and the others
I do have the same symptons too in the last weeks, since I left the witness. I also have bad dreams, mostly about my family, since they are still witness.
Would it be good to get professional treatment? What would they do?
I also feel sometimes alone and left, but somehow hesitate to make new friends. Do you have that Problem too?

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one of the nice things about the net is that it allows the mordern day HITECH jw to quickly learn that they are not alone as so many other dear bros and sisters felt back in the 70's many thought they were crazy from seeming like they were all by themselves
but today with the net you have seen and read i'm sure so many exp that mirror your own exp in wt

and that is a good thing to see that what you felt, saw and heard --
IT WAS NOT JUST YOU

as to getting professional help that is up to you

but many have found the comfort of being here on the public forum and private email has proven to be the best

unless you can get a former jw professional or one who has dealt with person involved in HIGHCONTROL GROUPS in my exp you will get little help

many because few professional are up to speed on what it means to live ones life with death always over your head for not reading your latest WT

but i suggest email some of the poster here and call them on the phone and it will help you make more progress than you can imagine

James

"I'd rather have questions I can't answer than questions I can't ask (or answers I can't question)."

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Does the Watchtower break up famelies?

by OlderTom in

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my word it does.. when i started studying with the witlesses all of my family and inlaws deserted me for following a stupit cult.

my wife divorced me and my children won't talk to me.. that's ok because according to jdubs that proves it's the truth.. as i progressed in "the truth(tm)" all my friends started to abandon me because i was always going to those booring meetings.. when i found someone i liked in "the truth" and started associating with her, some of my witness friends tried to break up the friendship.. ie break up another family before it even starts.. after i married her without getting the elder permission, some of my jdub friends tried to df me, to show how much they loved me.. when they failed to df me some of my witless friends decided to shun me anyway even though the elders pronounced us no guilty.. i should have sued the bastards for slander.

today i'd just give him (the instigator) a good hiding.

JT

PATIO

I LOVE IT SO MUCH I'M GOING TO USE IT FROM NOW ON AS WELL

thanks

james

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June1,2001WT QFR Confess to Elders?

by ISP in

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(entire article).

questions from readers.

in view of jehovahs willingness to forgive sins by the merit of the ransom sacrifice, why is it necessary for christians to confess to the older men in the congregation?.

JT

followup question to any JW

How many of you would want an "Untrained Volunteer" to do your surgery?

So how can an Untrained Volunteer Surgeon be "Skillful"?

these are the types of questions that any of you JW out there who are using "Critical Thinking" need to ask yourselves.

since you are entrusting your very lives in the hands of these men

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June1,2001WT QFR Confess to Elders?

by ISP in

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(entire article).

questions from readers.

in view of jehovahs willingness to forgive sins by the merit of the ransom sacrifice, why is it necessary for christians to confess to the older men in the congregation?.

JT

once again we see the paper trail of wt being it's worst ememy

when wt wants to play dumb they resort to "WE BE IMPERFECT"

when they want to invoke DIVINE AUTHORITY they speak of how in elders school that Elders recieve the finest training on the face of the earth due to being provided by Jah visible org.

here is another example of playing both sides of the field

James
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Paducah Sun 1-28-01

Both Brown and Moreno said that the elders, who volunteer and are essentially untrained clergy, might err in their application of a policy both believe puts protecting children first

Questions From Readers 6-1-01
In view of Jehovah’s willingness to forgive sins by the merit of the ransom sacrifice, why is it necessary for Christians to confess to the older men in the congregation?

Skillful elders can do much to ease the pain of heart that is felt by the remorseful sinner.

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Trends Where The Society Is Impotent

by metatron in

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the world is rapidly changing, making the watchtower.

organization with every passing day.

consider some trends they .

JT

In a few short years the majority of the world will have access
to the greatest equalizer in man's history, the internet. When
information flows across all borders, barriers, cultures and is
available instantly and nearly free to all, the future will bring
unprecedented change that will be the downfall of rigid dogmatic
tradition bound institutions be they commercial, educational,
governmental or religious. The world's population is going to
become empowered beyond what we could have imagined even
just a few years ago. We are priveledged to see it taking place
for so many minorities and the wonderful results that accrue.

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well stated indeed-- the info age, along with WT 100yr track record is WT worst enemy in my opinion

and they can't change thier track record

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Does the Watchtower break up famelies?

by OlderTom in

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my word it does.. when i started studying with the witlesses all of my family and inlaws deserted me for following a stupit cult.

my wife divorced me and my children won't talk to me.. that's ok because according to jdubs that proves it's the truth.. as i progressed in "the truth(tm)" all my friends started to abandon me because i was always going to those booring meetings.. when i found someone i liked in "the truth" and started associating with her, some of my witness friends tried to break up the friendship.. ie break up another family before it even starts.. after i married her without getting the elder permission, some of my jdub friends tried to df me, to show how much they loved me.. when they failed to df me some of my witless friends decided to shun me anyway even though the elders pronounced us no guilty.. i should have sued the bastards for slander.

today i'd just give him (the instigator) a good hiding.

JT

Patio says:

"I'd rather have questions I can't answer than questions I can't ask (or answers I can't question)."

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this is one quote that is so powerful when talking to a NONJW- i shared this with a person just today who has a friend who is trying to get out of wt the right way

and this concept of NOT QUESTIONING is so deep

just my 2

james

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New field service tactics!

by NikL in

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new regular pioneer techniques .

these are untried and untested techniques to get .

they're called goats in the bible.

JT

6of 9 says

I saw this posted on WOL.

what is WOL

THANKS

JAMES

13

So Can DF'ing Be A Bonus?

by Englishman in

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im passionately opposed to the unscriptural practice of disfellowshipping.

i believe that it preys on mankinds worse fears of being left alone, an outcast, a pariah shunned by ones own tribe, a person so reprehensible that even ones very existence is left unacknowledged.

its certainly not the invention of a caring creator, and as for it being a loving act for the dfd one, please dont insult my intelligence.. that being said, i wonder whether or not disfellowshipping can actually be a refuge for the disillusioned witness?

JT

neyank

is corrrect if one is dfed and fails to examine they will walk around thinking many times that this is still god's org despite what they do

as one poster put it while talking to a dfed jw drawing a puff on a Cancer Stick he states THIS IS STILL GOD'S ORG

so they need to look into thing if they want to get it together

james

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So Can DF'ing Be A Bonus?

by Englishman in

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im passionately opposed to the unscriptural practice of disfellowshipping.

i believe that it preys on mankinds worse fears of being left alone, an outcast, a pariah shunned by ones own tribe, a person so reprehensible that even ones very existence is left unacknowledged.

its certainly not the invention of a caring creator, and as for it being a loving act for the dfd one, please dont insult my intelligence.. that being said, i wonder whether or not disfellowshipping can actually be a refuge for the disillusioned witness?

JT

Skimmer says:

Ask a few non-JW friends to come with you and introduce them to the elders with the opener "I brought my friend here today so he/she could see what JWs are really like".

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Skimmer is one sick dude , but my wife and I loved it-

we had a sister who was DFed who use to bring a different man to the hall at least twice a month and introduce them to different bro in the Hall. She would tell the guys before hand to ask: "Aren't you going to speak to her" Of course the poor JW would be standing there after welcoming the NONJW just looking like a fish out of water

looking back at the time we thought the sister was just WICKED

SMILE

today my wife and i just laugh at the silly rules we tried to keep for WT

how sad

James