And as you know it won't bring her back to you (would anything??), but at least you will have done something without taking this *&^$ from the Watchtower Corp "religion." With an ad, craigslist postings and a website too as well as the youtube video, everyone will see what a destructive religion she is caught up in. I'm so glad you aren't going to let Watchtower Corp get away with this.
laverite
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I can't take this crap anymore. It's time to get pro-active!
by BONEZZ inive been around this board for quite awhile.
it has helped immensely.
lately i just read everyone elses experiences and try and forget the whole nightmare...but i cant.
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I can't take this crap anymore. It's time to get pro-active!
by BONEZZ inive been around this board for quite awhile.
it has helped immensely.
lately i just read everyone elses experiences and try and forget the whole nightmare...but i cant.
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laverite
Wow, the video sounds like a great idea -- something like that deserves to be seen widely. JWs are so two faced, it's sickening. Let the world know the truth.
And, an ad in your local paper and on craigslist (missed connections?) would be a good addition. Finally, a G-ma website with the video, the whole story written out for the world to see. People need to be warned about the harmful nature of JWs.
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help with sociologist friend...
by losingit ini have a friend who is a sociologist.
this person does research on being gay and mormon, and will shortly come out with a book.
we had a lengthy discussion about cults (in general, and jws in particular), and basically the sociologist believes that all religions are cults.
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laverite
Practioner? Wat da wat? How did that get into my post?
Practitioner, rather. LOL.
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help with sociologist friend...
by losingit ini have a friend who is a sociologist.
this person does research on being gay and mormon, and will shortly come out with a book.
we had a lengthy discussion about cults (in general, and jws in particular), and basically the sociologist believes that all religions are cults.
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laverite
Steve2,
My primary field is also psychology, at least according to my academic title "Professor of Psychology." But I tend to work at the intersections of psychology and sociology and have taught within both psychology and sociology departments. I was previously a senior lecturer in psychology at a university in England. I have no experience with psychology in NZ. But in all of my professional experiences, I have personally never come across academic researchers needing to be familiar with popular or nonacademic perspectives or general marketing publications for their academic research. That notion is completely foreign to me. The only time I could see it as being possibly relevant in some way is if a rsearcher were studying self help movements, etc. I could also perhaps see this as also true within some clinical or applied areas but I don't know for sure about that as I have no background in those areas so I am not qualified to comment (other than guessing).
As far as your comment on the OP, I agree completely with what you said -- I'd mention him as a nonacademic practioner.
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help with sociologist friend...
by losingit ini have a friend who is a sociologist.
this person does research on being gay and mormon, and will shortly come out with a book.
we had a lengthy discussion about cults (in general, and jws in particular), and basically the sociologist believes that all religions are cults.
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laverite
Steve2 -
I disagree. Hassan is a mental health clinician and his books are self help books, not academic. I wouldn't expect researchers on cults to necessarily know of him or his work, unless they are looking at mental health resources for exiting cults. There really would be very little need for sociologists specializing in cults to know of him.
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help with sociologist friend...
by losingit ini have a friend who is a sociologist.
this person does research on being gay and mormon, and will shortly come out with a book.
we had a lengthy discussion about cults (in general, and jws in particular), and basically the sociologist believes that all religions are cults.
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laverite
P.S. Sociologists do not define all religions as cults. He was probably speaking off the cuff, expressing his own personal disdain for religion.
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help with sociologist friend...
by losingit ini have a friend who is a sociologist.
this person does research on being gay and mormon, and will shortly come out with a book.
we had a lengthy discussion about cults (in general, and jws in particular), and basically the sociologist believes that all religions are cults.
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laverite
Losingit,
The ways in which sociologists have defined cults have shifted somewhat over time. Sociologists began studying cults in the 1930s. Typically the sociolgical definition of cult has differed from the popular or "pop" definition of cult that you would see in Hassan's book.
You wrote: "I could not believe that someone who has this type of educational background conducting this type of research does not grasp the true meaning of "cults." I think he thought that i was speaking from a position of ignorance or lack of experience, but that's not so."
There is no such thing as one "true meaning" of cults. It's a social construct, and the definitions that are agreed upon by different groups differ across those groups. What defines cult from the sociological perspective isn't necessarily what you think a cult is.
A potential productive conversation would be for you to ask your friend to tell you about the history of sociological study into cults, how sociologists define the term cult, how this differs from "pop" definitions of cult, etc. You could then share what you've read, how you define it, etc. It would be an interesting conversation.
To say that you can't believe that someone with his education doesn't understand the term (as you do), tells me very little about what he knows, but demonstrates what you don't know (e.g. lack of historical and disciplinary knowledge in the sociology of cults, academic research, etc.). That's entirely forgivable but the way you wrote it comes across as condescending.
There are some interesting and fun conversations the two of you could have.
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help with sociologist friend...
by losingit ini have a friend who is a sociologist.
this person does research on being gay and mormon, and will shortly come out with a book.
we had a lengthy discussion about cults (in general, and jws in particular), and basically the sociologist believes that all religions are cults.
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laverite
Steve2 wrote: " If your friend is a researcher in the field of Sociology, he should already be reading widely on his chosen topic, including the book you mention. It would be unusual if he has not heard of Hassan's work."
I do not agree that a sociologist studying cults would have to be familiar with Hassan. Hassan is a mental health provider and writer of self help books. This is in no way negating the important work he has done. His work would not necessarily be on the radar of an research sociologist studying cults. He hasn't published any academic pieces that I am aware of.
I am an academic, researcher and writer working at the intersections of psychology and sociology with degrees in both fields. I do not pay any attention to pop psych and self help books in areas that relate to what I study. That said, I may come across them accidentally and might poke around out of curiosity. But they wouldn't be books I'd be reading, nor would I cite them unless I were somehow studying self help movements.
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Check this out- JW Car Lot
by itsibitsybrainbutbigenoughtosmellarat inhttp://www.circuitvehicles.com/home/.
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laverite
The cars look pretty nice. I bet they are in excellent condition. Very clean. Non smoking drivers. I'd be tempted to buy one. LOL.
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Gorby's father collapses at home after new light watchtower study
by Gorbatchov infriends,.
sunday my father, a strong believing witness, former elder and still a ms, collapses at home after the new light watchtower study.. the cause was extreme stress.
i asked him about his worries.
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laverite
Gorby,
You are a very special person. Your parents are very lucky to have such a wonderful son. Also, it sounds as if you are very lucky to have them. I hope your father's strength returns soon.
-Lav