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exwhyzee
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How will the WT "officially" respond to the Heichel case?
by sir82 inthe case is garnering national attention.
it's pretty evident that both murderer and victim were jws, most likely in "good standing".
the jw angle is playing more prominently as details unfold.
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Patterson on the line: Watchtower claims that paying cash bond would cause immediate irreparable harm and hardship
by cedars ina new article for those who are interested.... http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/patterson-on-the-line-watchtower-claims-that-paying-cash-bond-would-cause-immediate-irreparable-harm-and-hardship.
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exwhyzee
My gut feeling is that the Society's claiming of financial hardship isn't true at all, rather it is in their minds justifiable "spiritual warfare"intended to stall or keep them from using any hard to come by cash. Putting Patterson on the line might be a good way of getting out from under the costs of maintaining it should they loose the case. They might count the loss of Patterson as a "Blessing from Jehovah" because who's going to buy that huge complex out in the middle of nowhere once they are done with it? If they loose Patterson in a legal case, that financial loss could somehow be a write off and benifit them in terms of an additional reduction in taxes possibly. Should worse come to worst they could move the operation back to Brooklyn until the new complex they have in the works is ready. This could be one of the "wonderful examples" that they would tout for years, showing how Jehovah maneuvers events in their favor.
Besides that, there are 7 million JW's. All the Society would have to do is say the word and ask each JW to donate $2.50 and overnight their supposed money woes would be solved. I think Most JW's would give that amount or much more if it were presented to them in that certain heartstrings tugging society manner we all remember. I don't see this situation or any other similar one, bringing them down. Once people are captive to the notion of this group being the source of everlasting life, they will spend their last dime making sure they don't have to face reality.
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exwhyzee
These students noted that their religious beliefs prevented them from interacting with other students who were engaged in partying, substance abuse, womanizing,
and other actions that would be considered inappropriate for Jehovah's Witnesses
.Once again, they compare themselves to the worst examples of student behavior to convince themselves they are better than the crowd because have the true religion. They spend their life assuming everyone is ( not just some) wicked. They reinforce this by looking for the most horrible examples out there to prove their foregone conclusion. Just look at the cover of any Awake! magazine and the titles of the articles to see how they operate.
Ships are always safer and less likely to encounter rough seas when they are tied up to the dock but that's not what ships were built for.
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2004 Blood Card & Directive!
by Atlantis invm44 requested a recent blood card and directive.
i wrote to a jw who has a relative on the hlc.
the jw got copies of what they are still using which is still dated 2004 at the bottom.
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exwhyzee
The new version probably has you check a box that says:
- I recognize that my actions are not based on current medical or scientific evidence or upon my individual understanding of the Bible rather it's based solely on the ideas of unlettered and ordinary men who lived decades ago.
- In the likelihood of my death I wish to report ____ hours in Field Service and _____ Magazines placed this month and I dontae all my cash and material goods to the WTBTS.
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Do you think this is really just a lie ?
by exwhyzee inweren't we all urged by the watchtower society to drop everything and actively engage in the preaching and teaching work so as to save as many as possible from destruction at armegeddon by bringing them into the truth ?
don't they claim that all those not on jehovah's side when the end comes will perish?
don't they claim to be the one true religion and those not joining them by leaving babylon the great will be destroyed along with their leader satan.
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exwhyzee
Weren't we all urged by the Watchtower Society to drop everything and actively engage in the preaching and teaching work so as to save as many as possible from destruction at Armegeddon by bringing them into the TRUTH ? Don't they claim that all those not on Jehovah's side when the end comes will perish? Don't they claim to be the one true religion and those not joining them by leaving Babylon the great will be destroyed along with their leader Satan. Aren't those who aren't JW's called "Worldly or of the World and part of this doomed wicked system of things"? Weren't we told that those nonbeleivers who get resurrected would have to become followers of Jehovah to gain eternal life ?
How can they claim this at JW.Org
To me they have side stepped the question and given a misleading answer to make themselves appear non judgmental.
Do You Feel That You Are the Only People Who Will Be Saved?
No. Many millions who lived in centuries past and who weren’t Jehovah’s Witnesses will have an opportunity for salvation.
Does that mean anyone living now who had an opportunity to become a JW and isn't a JW will loose salvation ?
The Bible explains that in God’s promised new world, “ there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous. ” (Acts 24:15)
Additionally, many now living may yet begin to serve God, and they too will gain salvation.
Doesn't that mean that those who don't become JW's won't gain salavation in other words yes, only JW's will be saved? In any case, it’s not our job to judge who will or won’t be saved. That assignment rests squarely in Jesus’ hands.—John 5:22, 27.
The question wasn't whether or not they should judge rather but rather "Do they think they are the only ones who will be saved ? ".
To me, their answer should have been Yes...except for possibly some who lived centuries ago that didn't have an opportunity for salvation.
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Favorite JW Urban Legends
by Christ Alone inwhat are your favorite urban legends that you heard as a jw?.
here's mine:.
a brother, through his work, was asked to give a speech to the united nations.
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exwhyzee
What about the one where the Circuit Overseer was out in Service with a local Brother when they encountered an oddly bahaving Woman at the door . During their conversation with her she revealed to them tha she was a Fortune Teller. They proceeded with their presentation anyway but suddenly she started shieking with uncontrolable laughter. The Circuit Overseer was shocked when the Publisher, in an effort to calm the Woman down, hauled off and slapped her across the face. Later in the car the Circuit Overseer expressed his disapproval and asked the Publisher why he had done such a drastic thing. The Publisher replied "Becaise the Society always tells us we should strive to strike a "happy medium".
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Favorite JW Urban Legends
by Christ Alone inwhat are your favorite urban legends that you heard as a jw?.
here's mine:.
a brother, through his work, was asked to give a speech to the united nations.
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exwhyzee
On his show after one of the California Quakes, Johnny Carson said "They say the safest place to be in an earthquake is in a doorway. If that's the case, Amway salesman and Jehovahs Witnesses have it made" The audience roared and Johnny looked over to Ed McMahon with a puzzled look on his face as if he couldn't understand why everyone thought what he said was so funny. (That one is true cause I heard it personally)
I got baptized at the Vancouver B.C Convention and the singer Glen Campbell was supposed to be getting baptized too. People were running around with their Song Books looking for him so they could get his autograph. They announced in the assembly how inapropriate this was. ( also true )
Remember the one about the sister who had a man come up to her at the District Convention and handed her her missing Bible and told her he had broken into her house and been hiding under her bed and he heard her praying. After she fell asleep he stole her Bible and snuck out of the house. He started studying and had gotten baptized at that assembly. ( Pure B.S ! )
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email from father in law
by outsmartthesystem ini've been a little busy recently.
but in accordance with some of you (and against the advice of many of you)....i did send my 607 research to my fil.
his response is below.
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exwhyzee
It's so irritating how he keeps referring to JW's as "Jehovah's Organization" as if it's a proven fact that they are in fact directly organized by him. If that was the case...why all the mistakes and changing of doctrine?
Your FIL seems to feel smug about his faith in the "Organization" but faith is often a word that people use to feel OK about having given up searching or not caring enough to look any furthur into what they believe in.
The Organization has recently changed their take on the meaning of the term "generation" which has essentially undone all the urgency of the times Witnesses in the past lived under. If you'd have told him 5 years ago that you didn't beleive the Organization had the correct understanding of the term "generation" he'd have viewed you as a fault finder or apostate and looked for ways to side step any proof you may have had to present on the subject as he has done here. Even after the change in their understanding was published, he'd never admit you had been correct. He basically doesn't want to know.
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exwhyzee
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2012209170316
This sounds kinda like another group we all know.
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Did you know that God will terminate your supervisors employment, and give you their old job?
by Theocratic Sedition inaccording to the wt study yesterday, that's what happened.. 16. by allowing jehovah to instruct us and lead us in the path of uprightness, we will have no cause for fear.
when a regular pioneer in the united states applied for a job that would help him to keep his entire family in full-time service, his supervisor told him that he would never get that position without a college degree.
had this happened to you, would you have regretted pursuing full-time service to the exclusion of seeking higher education?
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exwhyzee
"I knew there was something different about you! When my father was on his deathbed, two of your fellow believers came and read the Bible to him every day.
"Fellow beleivers"...that's Watchtower speak....the Manager...if he existed, never said that I'm sure and JW's would more than likely have been reading a publication to him rather than the bible itself.
Jehovah lives up to his assurances that we will not go without material necessities.
Tell that to the 40 something Ministerial Servant fater of five I know who lost his job and had his home repossessed and became a ward of the congregation and ended up dying of a ruptured aorta and couldnt take blood to save himself. His family has never recovered and are living in a broken down mobile home owned by another witness. His wife who never worked before got a job as a cashier in a fabric store and they are basically poverty stricken.
The story never said if the salary was the same for the JW as was offered to a College Grad nor did we hear how things went when the Witness started working. Hopefully he was able to hold down the position. What about the rest of the people there who have jobs and are supporting their families ? Is Jehovah providing for them or are they just lucky?