regarding worldly people, shows or toys?
etc...what quotes annoyed you the most?.
for me it was "well, you have to remember, they're worldly"... "don't trust anyone who isn't in the truth" "they may be nice but they are not friends of jehovah"... just a few to name.
I was standing on the beach the other day watching some surfers and was wishing I was out in the water myself. I turned to my wife and sarcastically quoted what was always said to me any time I expressed interest in participating in athletic activities.
"Never mind Exwhyzee.....you'll have all the time in the world to do that in the New System."
i once heard of a circuit overseer blaming a loyal ministerial servant, that served as the accounts servant, of steeling from the contribution boxes, simply because he deposited the congregation funds bi-weekly instead of twice a week.
due to the accusation, the ms was immediately removed without hearing his side of the story.
isn't this rather counter-intuitive and innefficient?
One of the last meetings I attended was in West Palm Beach Florida. It happened to be during the circuit overseers visit. He was a grossly overweight man,at least 300 lbs I'd guess and he seemed to like himself very much. During his announcements for the weeks activities he said, "There's one thing about Jehovah's Witnesses...we sure loooove to eat, don't we??? (Tee hee's could be heard from older sisters who think everything a C.O. says is marvelous) "Sister C.O. and I are looking forward to the many fine meals that will be provided for us and the many offers to share meals with all of you"
Pretty harmless stuff but I couldn't help but think of all those scriptures that spoke about gluttony and overeating some of which gluttony was included with drunkards and idolaters. But today...you can only be repremanded for the latter, otherwise,in some cases, a good number of the congregation would be on private reproof. Seems like a guy with an obvious weight condition wouldn't bring up the issue of food,on the platform.
the gb brooks no questions or dissention.
their brand of truth seems quite delicate and incapable of standing up to scrutiny.
"the truth is incontrovertible.
Is the Truth so delicate ?
And one might ask...Is Jehovah's holy spirit not powerful enough to prevent Satan from misguiding a JW who looks at outside sources while confirming the acuracy of the information presented to him by the Organization ?
just wanted to make some information available for newer ones.
i am a born-in third generation ( or is it one overlapping generation..i get so confused) and i had no idea these court transcripts even existed until almost 2 years ago.
i don't want to assume that you have read these.
Thanks for re-posting this for those of us who hadn't seen it.
my sister in law has been shunned by the family since she da'd herself at the age of 18 and moved out of the house.
i always insisted that my wife keep in contact with her and made sure she knew she had a soft place to land,with us, should she need it.
even at the risk of it getting us in hot water with the pioneer,elder,bethelite family members there was no way we were going to let her disappear into the wild blue yonder on her own.
Thanks for the link Ohio...yet another bit of information I didn't know about. This stuff matters to me because had I known about it,I'd have known not to take any thing JW's predicted or interpreted, as seriously as I did.
my sister in law has been shunned by the family since she da'd herself at the age of 18 and moved out of the house.
i always insisted that my wife keep in contact with her and made sure she knew she had a soft place to land,with us, should she need it.
even at the risk of it getting us in hot water with the pioneer,elder,bethelite family members there was no way we were going to let her disappear into the wild blue yonder on her own.
My sister in law has been shunned by the family since she DA'd herself at the age of 18 and moved out of the house. I always insisted that my wife keep in contact with her and made sure she knew she had a soft place to land,with us, should she need it. Even at the risk of it getting us in hot water with the Pioneer,Elder,Bethelite family members there was no way we were going to let her disappear into the wild blue yonder on her own. The sister is in her 40's now and we too are out of the Org and the family realizes we have been in contact with her all these years. They have softened a bit and are somewhat ashamed about having gone this far with all this nonsense. Her behavior in this matter has been exemplary over the years. For some time though,she had been visited by the residual left over mind trips that former witnesses go throgh.
I'm in San Diego this week where she lives and told her about Beth Sarim, which for me was one of the straws that broke the camels back. She was very blown away by this bit of information...especially since she lives about 3miles from there. We hopped in my car and drove over there an I took a few photos of the place. I googled Beth Sarim on my ipad and we sat outside the mansion viewing old photos and deeds etc. We both agreed it was a strange thing to be sitting in front of a mansion that was once deeded to certain Bible characters and was once owned by the guy who led the religion that our parents centered their whole lives around without knowing any of this kind of history. She has her College degree and is quite successful in life in terms of being happy and well adjusted but I think she took a big step forward today in terms of her own personal growth.
i had conversation with mt brother who quit going to meetings ar age of 11. father unbeliver.
this 60 year old grandfather said his childhood brainwashing has effected his entire life.
had his first birthday party this year, armegeddon nightmares, and he just realized how screwed up his life has been because with all his rebellion he is still finding his thoughts affected bt wt teaching.
realized how screwed up his life has been because with all his rebellion he is still finding his thoughts affected bt WT teaching.
"Bring up a boy in the way of the lord and he'll not turn away from it." -the Bible
"See what happens when you go against your Bible trained conscience?" -Watchtower Society
agape i have grown to hate this word.. agape (pron.
: /'g?pi?/[1] or /?'g?
?pe?/; classical greek: ?
Slave, as in "the faithful and discreet slave." How did "slave" come to mean "master
They will say they are the head slave appointed by the master to look after his belongings....which includes you! Even if the head slave screws up now and again...he's got the masters best interest at heart.
just recently my daughter ask for permission to get baptized.
not knowing the mess that my wife's religion is, i consented.
after a lot of research, i now regret my decision.
My non JW father died because he signed the "no blood"paperwork before he had heart surgery. All he knew about blood transfusions is what he learned when he studied with the Witnesses decades ago. He only signed those papers because he was a bit squeamish about blood and his doctor assured him there was no way blood would even be an issue. Two years later they came out with the new light about blood fractions which may have saved him had it come sooner. I'm certain he'd have seen the contradiction in allowing fractions that were taken from a blood doner's arm yet prohibiting the use of whole blood. He'd have realized that these men should not be in the habit if dispensing medical advice.
Be sure you have a counter argument for Deut 12:16 where it talks about not eating blood. They view transfusing blood as being the same as eating it. They compare it to alcohol. If a doctor tells you to abstain from alcohol but you put it in your veins, it's the same as if you drank it. To me that example doesn't compare apples to apples since the motive behind the prohibitive against blood isn't a medical one but because god said not to eat it because he views blood as sacred. Putting alcohol in your veins will have the same effect on the body as drinking it does. Eating blood and transfusing it would have two very different results. This scripture was talking about animal blood and besides,transfusing blood hadn't even been thought of. If blood is sacred and life is in the blood,why not use it to save a life rather than pour it out on the ground? Also there are any number of medicines that would harm you if you ingested them but would cure you if you took them intraveinously(chemo,certain dosages of antibiotics etc) to use the alcohol analogy seems logical at first but to me isn't enough.
P.S. I don't know why you have to even talk to these guys. I think I'd find out what your leagal rights as a father would be if a blood emergency arose.
it has been a long time since i was on here and life has gone many different ways since then.
been married and getting divorced, and now have a son.
life has not been kind to me since i have left the org.
Hey AKAfreelife....glad you've cheered up! Sometimes these things are for the best. Exercise and music are two really good things for you to turn to now. Glad your friend turned up to remind you that you have value. P.S. very cool that you can play the drums! Hang in there ,keep doing healthy positive things and soon you'll surprise yourself at how well you're doing.
