yeah so in genesis we read how people began building a tower which would reach up to jehovah in heaven....must have been damn tall....rather then just stop them, god changes everyones language.....one guys speakin french.....another speakin russian and so on!
can't finish the tower now can they!!
this is not very scientific......does anyone believe this is how languages got started???
And four white mice will never be four white horses.
Such fol-de-rol and fiddle dee dee of courses.
But the world is full
of zanies and fools
who don't believe in sensible rules
and won't believe what sensible people say..
and because these daft
and dewey eyed dopes
keep building up
impossible hopes
impossible things are happening every day!
compare these two "generation" quotes from the watchtower -- which one is correct?
how did god's "channel of communication" make an error this big?.
the watchtower, november 1st, 1995, pages 30-31:.
The WT explaination in UnDisfellowshipped's post about "adjustments", doesn't add up.
Sailors only use the "Tacking" manuver out of necessity. They would rather go straight to where they intended to go in the first place. Just because they are "Tacking" doesn't mean that they are lost and aren't aware of the correct route. Sailors don't claim to be directly guided by the creator of the universe. The WTBTS makes adjustments not because they were intentionally going off course from the truth as if it were planned but because they actually were lost but thought they were right on target, with God leading the way and they told us not to question them about it when we noticed our port of call, pass by....several times.
i'm watching "you've got mail" for the zillionth time... it just has to be one the greatest romantic comedies ever made!!!.
what are your favorites?.
(if you dislike rc's try not make ugly comments about them or the people who like them) :).
Is Danny Deckchair a romantic Comedy? Either way..it was a great flick.
are all wt lawyers jw's?
do they get paid high salaries because of being lawyers?
does the wts recruit young smart jw's to become wt lawyers?.
When I was in Bethel I worked in the Bindery. There was a guy I worked with that had gone to College and had a BA degree but became a Witness right after he graduated and applied to Bethel. One day, he was told he was going to be working in the Legal Dept. and I understand they sent to get further education and last I heard was still there. It was strange to be in Bethel and know that someone with a degree was almost hand picked over those of us who didn't have a degree because they listened to the Societies advice regarding higher education.
considering the fact we've had so many newbies here i thought it would be good to just open it up to you folks to see how life is going for you since you exited the witnesses ?
it's hard many times to move on- however with lots of ex-witnesses on the board here who have been through similar experiences - perhaps those of us who have been out awhile can give you someideas on how to move on in your post jw life to make it a little easier .
so fire away newbies and recently exited jw 's.
Things that are good:
(1) No more anxiety (2) no waking up at night with panic (3) no more guilt and dread on meeting nights (4) new personal growth and strengths (5) I don't expect myself to be perfect or even near perfect (6) No more pretending (7) personal honesty (8) internal calmness (9) No more feeling responsible for defending Gods universal soverignty 24/7 (10) Seeing the scales fall away from my Wifes eyes after years of denial about her doubts, (11) Reconnecting with former/ex Witness friends and finding people from school on Facebook I used to know and the joy of discovering that we still have a bond.
Things that could be better:
(1) Letting go of anger toward the Org. and the condesending JW's that are still in my life that pity me for no longer being in the club (2) Letting go of the desire to show the JW's still in my life how mislead and brainwashed they are. (3.) I'm glad to have a good job in an Engineering Department but because I wasn't allowed to get a degree when I was young, instead of being a Supervisor myself, I'm supervised by foriegners who were just recently part of the "Unwashed Masses" and can barely speak English. They have less practical experience,interpersonal skills and common sense than I do. I am constantly undoing their mix-ups and yet they earn nearly half again what I earn for doing the same job. They think I'm a fool for not having taken advantage of the opporutnities that were available to me, especially since they draged themselves up from the depths to get where they are today. I am ashamed to tell them(so far anyway) that I was caught up in a religion that prohibited higher education for fear they would think me a bigger fool,in this regard, than they already do. I made it to where I am by luck yes I said Luck...and sheer determination and because I have learned to mold myself into whatever I needed to be, to survive. Guess where I learned that little trick ?
All in all, I feel a new hope for myself even though I am middle aged and am starting over. This forum has been a great help in sorting out my head. I can't say how thankful for the insightful comments, encouraging words and feelings of warmth that exists here and has helped me get to where I am in the leaving process.
folks, do you own a tempur pedic mattress?
if you do, are you satisfied with it?
how bout a sleep number bed?.
The Tempur-pedic mattress felt like heaven when I first climbed into it. But in the morning both my wife and I felt like you do the day after doing heavy exercise. Neither of us has any back problems, but we both woke up sore and achey all over. This continued for a week until we returned it . I didn't like the way you sort of ended up in a trough. To roll over you have to rock yourself out of the hole your body made in the memory foam and when you turn over during the night the hole stays there for a while and you have to wait for it to fill back up and take on the shape of the new position you are in. Also it seemed like it was very hot. The warmer you got, the more you sunk into the bed.
a bit before my time , but hopefully of interest to some.
the food service brings back memories of the 70's & 80's before it was "simplified" by the wtbts.. it would seem that the 60's & early 70's were very much a golden era for the society , before the 1975 debacle.
it is always amazing watching baptisms of adults - i honestly can't remember the last time a reasonably compus mentis adult was baptised at an asembly.. http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=chrp_&m=jz1jo9yc4yjrty&b=tdwz1ywjej1njt4nmqic2a.
That Twickenham Assembly film reminds me of the old style propaganda films that were popular in the day. Newsreel style that portrayed only what they wanted you to see in order to paint a bright and shiny picture. If they'd have filmed this in the U.S, and panned the camera around a bit more they'd have likely have seen a little boy (me) sitting on a hard bench baking in the sun with a tie and jacket on hour upon hour trying to take notes or transporting himself away mentally in order to maintain his sanity when they went into all the horrors we could expect any day during the tribulation. They'd have seen a weary mother of 4 with an unbelieving husband, standing in line with her kids for food, bathroom needs, and to locate accomodations for 8 days of 10 hour sessions. They'd have seen man holding a sign outside the restroom that read "Flush for B.M. only !" They'd have shown women fainting and falling down the steps because of the heat or weariness. They'd have interviewed Men who had been encouraged to quit their jobs in order to attend the assembly because J. would provide for them when they returned home.
I remember thinking the old Witnesses from the 1940's were the ones from the golden age of the society. They were the real die hard's that came up with 8 endless days of indoctrination.
she asked me why god didn't step in to stop tragedies.
for example, recently twin baby girls were attacked in their cots while their parents were down stairs.
both suffered life changing injuries.. my daughter knows a couple who have waited years for a baby and eventually had i.v.f.
BrotherDan...Why would God create humans on earth only to have them die either by old age, sickness or some random accident just so he could raise them up to live a wonderful life in heaven? What was the whole Adam and Eve thing about then ? Why not skip the whole misery on earth part and place humans in heaven from the start. It seems kind of sick to create them on earth knowing that they are going to die and that it will probably hurt pretty badly when they do. What do you base this notion of yours on?
at one of the last meetings i was at 2 years ago, one of the kingdom songs that they sang, had a verse in it that said something about the people in the world being like angry bees .... or molested bees or something like that.
in all the years i had been in the org.
(my whole life) i had somehow missed this ridicioulous verse.
Amazing...within minutes, you guys had an answer !! Seeing the words laid out like this makes them seem even more ridiclous than I remember. I was so taken aback by the "Molested" part...that the "Beating them off with divine protection" part didn't even register. Maybe that was mostly why people were snickering so much!
I just remember when this verse was sung, my Wife rolled her eyes and looked over at me.
Her expression was... "You have GOT to be kidding !!"
at one of the last meetings i was at 2 years ago, one of the kingdom songs that they sang, had a verse in it that said something about the people in the world being like angry bees .... or molested bees or something like that.
in all the years i had been in the org.
(my whole life) i had somehow missed this ridicioulous verse.
At one of the last meetings I was at 2 years ago, one of the Kingdom songs that they sang, had a verse in it that said something about the people in the world being like Angry Bees .... or Molested Bees or something like that. In all the years I had been in the Org. (my whole life) I had somehow missed this ridicioulous verse. I heard people snickering and tee-hee's all over the Hall and people looking around to see if anyone else noticed how odd this phrase was. It was a big topic for discussion immediatly afterward. No one else had heard of it before either. Does anyone else remember this one? That song along with everything else that I had been piecing together to that point, made me realize how out of touch with reality our leaders were.
I got rid of all my literature some time ago, but now wish I had the song book so I could look this one up for affirmation and for the sheer comedy of it . I hear now they have updated the songs and I'm sure that one was the first one dropped.
Anyone remember the song number of have a scan of it ?
