Posts by exwhyzee

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Beyond Bitterness?

by DogGone in

like many, my path to the ttatt was a long and painful journey.

i wasnt mature or intellectually honest enough to "wake up" while still an active witness.

(i applaud those who have awaken while active; that is mental rigour i wish i had!

It took a lot of digging and reading for me to little by little get rid of the mental residue left over from being a life long witness. It is quite an accomplishment to rid oneself of that " But what if they really are right ?" feeling. The best thing for me was seeing the misinformation in the old literature such as that old 1984 Watchtower with all the (long dead) elderly Bethelites looking heavenward, enntitled, 1914...The Generation That Will Not Pass Away. Their own publications containing misinformation, coupled with a death of a my Dad over the blood issue as well as the injustice treatment of a family member by the Elders gave me the courage to act on what I had realized decades ago. If someone is carrying around Watchtower learned guilt, I think it's best for them to rid themselves of it by looking at all the mistakes, lies and wrong infromation in the publications from the past in which they learned "the truth" in the first place.

Too bad there isn't one book or collection of information where it's all contained in one place.

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Jehovahs Witness Expectations of Eternity

by Cold Steel in

or do they believe they'll be able to visit other worlds without them?

when resurrected, would they be able to walk through walls as jesus did, or would they be able to create wormholes just by thinking about it and travel by their own power?

and when they had visited every known place in the universe, what would they do then?.

exwhyzee

Most longtime JW's I knew didn't really talk about the New System with any kind of detail. Most just used it as a nice picture to hold in thier heads to get them through this life and blot out the thought of dying like everyone else who has ever lived.

I did hear some on occasion who thought we'd go back to the horse and buggy, living off the land days. Others thought with perfect minds, we'd come up with things that we haven't even thought of yet and possibly populate other planets ( Well what else could Jehovah have made them for???)

Most who talked a lot about the details with any intensity were gone in a short time, they were mostly talking outloud to reaffirm their own doubts . Long time JW's have stopped talking about it as they've heard it all before and it's too late to really matter to them now. Knowing how close it is, is the major thing rather than what it will be like.

Now that I think about it, the Watchtower literature never really spoke in much detail about the New System but they did talk a lot about destruction, the end of this system and the tribulation then they let the paradise pictures in the publicatons do all the talking and by comparrison, living in one of those photos was a lot more attractive than having God kill you.

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Letter from and to my JW Niece

by Nosferatu in

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my niece is on fb.

she's a very creative and lovely person, but she's the only other family member i have who's a jw.

her mother got booted out for smoking, and her brother just seems to know it's a bunch of crap.. on fb, i posted a funny status update that went something like this: "my mother brought me up and hoped that i would grow into a career that would fulfill her dreams.

exwhyzee

Hey Uncle Ben.

You can sorta' see where she is comming from. If you post these kind of comments, knowing how seriously JW's take themselves, you have to expect that they will take it as a personal put down. I think I might have...or at least I would have known you were making a jab at something I still valued.

If you had former co workers as facebook friends and posted a comment such as " Glad I was able to find a real job after working for a go nowhere company for so long" , your former co workers who still work there might be offended or at least feel worse about their jobs than they already do.

It seems like your Niece was reasonable though, she mentioned wanting to see you soon. If you haven't sent your reply already, I wouldn't. It might be best to simply say, " Oops....didn't mean to offend anyone, humor, in part is how I got myself through a difficult time period in my life"

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Email from Dad

by nicsfreedom in

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although it is far less rude than the correspondence i received 6 months ago i just received this email from my father.

i have not responded.. "mom and i would greatly appciate it if you would return all the family pictures.

you can of course make copies if you wish, although it doesn't appear its necessary.

exwhyzee

The cheese may have finally slipped off Dad's sandwich.

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Do You Suffer From: Bitchy Resting Face

by frankiespeakin in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v98cpxnisk.

exwhyzee

My Wife's bossy dissapproving oldest sister has this. I call it "JUDGIE FACE"

Rene Zellweger has this malady too. (click here and scroll down)

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My former JW Niece posted this on her facebook.

by exwhyzee in

i can only imagine what the impact will be from her remaining jw family.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjx2owzqopk.

exwhyzee

I can only imagine what the impact will be from her remaining JW family. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJx2oWZQoPk

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Former Long Time Elder, part 3

by James Jackson in

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friends

to answer some of your questions.

i phone my son on thursday and was able to help him get his paper work in order for, get this: "college".

we're good.. the wife and i have about 10 family members that are jw's as well as over 12 close friends, 100's of friends in 5 states.

exwhyzee

They can change the meaning of the word "Generation" they can allow Blood Fractions, they can wrongly predict the end of the system in 1975, they can require you to shun your family members but if they were to ban watching Football, there'd be a mass exdous from the Organization...and "they" know that.

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Religion vs Technology

by Suspicious in

jw vs technology.

ive been doing more and more research in regards to the history of jw.

the more i find out the more shocking it is.

exwhyzee

As long as there is a market, there will always be a product. If not the JWs, then some other cultic movement will fill in their shoes.

If you build it they will come. For instane, no matter how ugly of a car Detroit builds, someone will always buy it so long as it goes to market. The majority will walk in the opposite direction but there will be a certain cross section of the population that will for their own reasons see something that no one else does and they'll defend their choice to the bitter end.

Some people would buy a whitewashed grave if it were presented to them convincingly enough.

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Why I wanted to Live in the New System so much.

by exwhyzee in

as a kid i didn't care about living forever since getting old and dying was a far away and an uncomprehendable eventuality.

i wanted to be around, near and with wild animals...all animals and to this day, i wish somehow they could be a part of my life.

when i see stuff like this, i still hope somehow it will be a reality someday.

exwhyzee

As a kid I didn't care about living forever since getting old and dying was a far away and an uncomprehendable eventuality. I wanted to be around, near and with wild animals...all animals and to this day, I wish somehow they could be a part of my life. When I see stuff like this, I still hope somehow it will be a reality someday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V74Qqfv2ESQ

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2014 means nothing

by konceptual99 in

i know there have been many comments over the recent past about 2014 being potentially a key point in time for the wts as it's 100 years since 1914 but my view is that it means absolutely nothing.. people are people and history shows the psychological hold that organisations like the wts has just carries on captivating people.

the org survived the 1975 debacle and they will potter on for years to come regardless of things like 100 years since 1914, especially since this is something the wts are simply not talking about.

it means nothing to anyone other than people looking for something to bash the wts with.. it's not mentioned in the literature and is unlikely to be anytime soon - why the heck would the wts want to remind people of the length of time?.

exwhyzee

Little JW children will still be told they can look forward to having a pet lion someday. 2014 will come and go without any significance to them as they weren't around when all the previous dates failed. They will continue to trust that the all adults in the limited JW circle that their parents associate with, know what they are talking about.

Teen and young adult JW's will continue to secretly hope the end doesn't come just yet because life and it's newfound freedom is still fresh and fun. They have one foot in the idealistic world of the very young, where childhood notions and adult realities haven't quite clashed yet. 2014 will come and go and will mean little to them, just as 1925 meant little to us who saw 1975 come and go in our own youth.

Older JW's , mostly out of habit, will still carry the hope that the end will come before they die. Even though they've spent decades convincing themselves it will happen, on some level they've known all along it may well be just a fantasy. At this point in their lives, they are too tired to care or change. 2014 will come and go but they'll ignore the voice in their head that is telling them they may have been duped. To some this may be a relief since they no longer have the energy anymore to keep up the urgency of the times routine. Facing this reality is not something they can easily walk up to and wrestle to the ground. They'll continue on as they have and rationalize it all by saying "oh well, at least it was a good way to live if nothing else".