they were written in hebrew script and were popular during the early 70's, when i came into the jw's.. as i recall, there was a qfr concerning them.. anyone else remember?.
It was our version of the Saint Christopher on the dashboard or the Cross hanging from the rear view mirror.
" Well I don't care if it rains or freezes , long as I got my plastic Jesus YHWH riding on the dashboard of my car...
Goin 90 it aint scary, long as I got the Virgin Mary YHWH assuring me that I won't go to Hell Sheol"
they were written in hebrew script and were popular during the early 70's, when i came into the jw's.. as i recall, there was a qfr concerning them.. anyone else remember?.
I remember people displaying the Tetragrammaton on leather Bible covers, bumper stickers etc back in the 70's especially during Assembly time. As Kids riding in the back of the car from Seattle to the International Assembly in Vancouver Canada we'd wave like fools, at all the people with Watchtowers or YHWH or the Tretragammaton displayed in their back window of their car.
I also remember there being stern warnings that if you displayed these items, you'd have to be especially exemplary in your behavior and in showing driver courtesy, and strictly obey all traffic laws. Wouldn't want to bring reproach on Jehovah's organizaiton.....you'd be held "bloodguilty" if you turned someone away from The TRUTH ® .
someone suggested i post an introductory thread.
i am a married, rather young grandma of four precious rugrats, ages 2-9. i guess our only child son and his only child wife didn't want their own kids to be "onlies".
my other half and i married rather young (18 &22) and will be celebrating 31 years together this summer.. i am sort of add, keep thinking i am still 28, love my husband now more than ever, and am so glad i woke up and left the crazy cult.. my husband and i began studying months after marrying and then decided to take the dunk.
Great to hear your story F.H.. Did any of your old JW friends from Texas, California or Nevada, wonder what ever happened to you guys? It must have come as quite a shock to them to find out you faded, especially since you were sound like you were the ideal Witness family. Any interesting tales to tell in that regard?
i strive to understand things by standing in a different spot and looking again.
i like to recontextualize things everybody seems to accept automatically and comfortably.. why?
to be able to see it for the first time, again.. .
Losingit: Right now, Im in a bad position financially and career-wise. I have faith that things will turn out for the best bc Im working towards it. Plus-- this is the FIRST time in my life that things aren't working out for me as I would've lliked. So my faith that things will improve is a matter of opinion? Using the word faith here signifies a fervent hope and even a measure of desperation. I believe strongly bc otherwise I'd give up from the sheer depression!
Really sorry that things aren't going well at the moment....and who of us hasn't been throught that? It's especially difficult the first few times it happens. After that you aren't so shocked or overwhelmed by the feelings that come go along with trying times.
I think what you are talking about might be hope and trust, rather than faith. You know, based on your past experiences and the experiences of those around you ,that although we all go through hard times, most of the time, most things go well for most people. Because you know this from your own experience, your hope or trust is based on reality and it won't just let you sit back and blindly wait for things to turn around. No magical thinking for you...you'll take action and you won't quit until things are on track again. To me, faith is sort of a last resort when you have no evidence to go on and have given up on looking for it but need to feel better about having done so.
i strive to understand things by standing in a different spot and looking again.
i like to recontextualize things everybody seems to accept automatically and comfortably.. why?
to be able to see it for the first time, again.. .
Faith is a word that is sometimes used when someone wants to feel good about having given up looking any further.
trying to make rcs less of a snorefest.
not exactly award winning either, but worth a laugh.
kate xx.
At the beginning of the video, the guy talking was saying something about being able to sign up for Detroit style classes from coast to coast. I got the idea he may be selling some kind of dance lessons. If so, this whole dancing at the Hall business seems even more of a departure from the days when the Kingdom Hall was used strictly for worship purposes. We weren't supposed to even like popular music or it's performers in our private lives, but it seems that with the passage of time, they have been forgiven for their supposed immoral lifestyles and suggestive lyricls to the point that Mowtown music is being played inside the walls of "Jehovah's house". Of course Detroit is "Motown" but still, JW's are supposed to be no part of the world around them.
Having said that, I'm glad that they are loosening up a bit, if that's what's happening but for anyone who grew up in the restricted and regulated JW lifestyle, it makes the loss of ones youth that much harder to take. To a small degree it would be like not going to College when you were young, then years later finding out the Society had begun setting up scholarships or grants for deserving JW kids who wanted to go on to higher education. It would make a joke of your sacrafice.
aside from the obvious age discrimination and disrespect, what are other implications of this new rule?.
(persons over 80 years of age cannot serve as a chairman of the body of elders any longer by watchtower fiat).
1) - this means that no one can be a cobe if he was born before 1934. so much for persons alive and in adult understanding of the circumstances in 1914 surviving to the end.
I suppose they'd have put Moses and Abraham out to pasture if they'd have had the chance.
i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.
i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.
i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.
The thing with neo-nazis and KKK members is that they *do* discriminate and their events promote racial segregation, hate speech, etc.
I understand what you're saying but you have to remember, just because you may happen to disagree with the KKK or Neo-Nazis....I'm sure there are many others (not me) who agree with them wholeheartedly. They (not me) might think those groups are the only way straighten out our society. In a democracy, for better or worse, they have the freedom to believe such.
If people are concerned about discrimination, comapratively speaking, this JW womans refusal to do this print job is a minor offence compared to the rest of the beleifs she and her religion preach from door to door everyday. When you think about it, Jehovahs Witnesses in their own way discriminate, shun and say bad things about anyone who doesn't share thier beliefs all the time and they even spread literature around the world that claims God is going to basically kill everyone but them. . If they eliminated this womans right to refuse an objectionable print job, in her own business, because of her religious convictions...how long would it be before they forced her to stop going from door to door preaching those same beliefs?
The thing with neo-nazis and KKK members is that they *do* discriminate and their events promote racial segregation, hate speech, etc.Refusing to serve them, when their viewpoints are in opposition to the civil liberties of the general public, would probably be legally permissible.
Probably not,especially if they all the were going to do was have a peacefull rally.
But apparently a business owner can't descriminate against anyone who doesn't share their viewpoint on things.
If a group wants to promote their hatred, they can find someone who shares that viewpoint to do the stationery, catering, etc. I don't see a gay couple who want to spend the rest of their lives together in a committed relationship as a violation of anyone else's civil liberties.
Many (not me) would ask, why doesn't the Gay couple just go to a bakery or print shop that is willing to cater to them. Why infringe on someone's religious beleifs and force them to do something they don't beleive in? By forcing the issue, aren't the Gay couple being intolerant of the Baker or Printers rights? Wouldn't eventually all the intolerant bakeries and print shops go out of business if all those who disagreed with their unfair practices stopped patronizing them ? Besides, who would want to eat a cake or give their money to a business owned by someone like that anyway?
They aren't telling the JW stationery lady that she can't go Door-to-Door™ or attend Meetings™ at the Kingdom Hall™ or gather with other JWs at a Circuit Assembly™ or District Convention™. They just want to have a celebration of their relationship with their friends and loved ones - it is none of this JW lady's business to interfere with that.
She is not demanding that they stop being Gay, she is simply refusing to be a part of something she doesn't believe in.
They just want to have a celebration of their relationship with their friends and loved ones - it is none of this JW lady's business to interfere with that.
I agree, but some would say that as the owner of the print shop, it literally is her "Business". If she was just an employee of the shop it might be a different situation, but as the business owner, shouldn't she have the choice of what kind of materials she wants to print, no matter what her reason is? What if someone asked her to print up a bunch of pornographic photos, shouldn't she be able to refuse, or would that be discriminating against people everywhere who happen to love porn?
i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.
i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.
i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.
As STILLIN mentioned, the topic of this post reminds me of this story. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/06/03/baker-forced-to-make-gay-wedding-cakes-undergo-sensitivity-training-after/
I don’t think anyone should be discriminated against but I also think a business owner should have rights that protect his or her personal beliefs as well. I can't help but wonder if a printer refused to print invitations for a Nazi rally or White Supremacist event, if anyone would object. Dont' Neo Nazi's and Members of the KKK have rights too? It seems like when it comes to the topic of Gay rights, people aren’t allowed any options when it comes to their own sensibilities on the subject. I'm not by any means comparing Gay people to Nazi's or the KKK, rather I'm wondering where do you draw the line when it comes to the right of a business owner to refuse or accept a customer's request. How do you make that distinction?
Sometimes businesses even have a statement posted in their premisis stating "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" but maybe I'm not comparing apples to apples here.
... will they destroy all great pieces of religious art?.
just finished watching monuments men.
great movie!
i don't know,but sometimes I wonder if the whole bible itself if some drummed-up fairy tale
Yep... a buch of deluded religious nuts who convinced themselves that everything they thought and did was directed by God so they wrote it down in books...hmmm...sort of like the govening body...
