Posts by exwhyzee

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Just ask simple questions and make street witnesses move along

by OnTheWayOut in

you don't have to know much to talk to jw's and show them they don't want to really discuss the matters.they consider a discussion on the matter they are pushing to be "confrontational.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfw_txpmsj8.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lqtadagucq.

exwhyzee

The WBT$ Supports the Genocide of Everyone but Loyal WBT$ JW`s..

What do you think Loyal WBT$ JW`s Preach about Armageddon?!..

I'm not finding fault with anyone for having posted this video or apologizing for the Watchtower by any means but I think in order to have a realistic discussion on the topic of JW's we have to be balanced in what we say about them, how we treat them and what we accuse them of.

JW's believe that God (as shown in the bible several times) is "Genocidal" and they believe he has the right to be that way since he is the creator and mankind is wicked " We don't have to agree with this view but it's a bit of a stretch to say they are a"Genocidal Organization" as was done in an earlier post. They as an organization are not planning to carry out any sort of mass murder or genocide themselves. If you want to use a that term, I think it would be fair to say that they are out warning people about an upcoming genocide, called Armageddon at the hands of God.

When JWs sell their brand of "truth" on street corners, they should be well prepared for questions.
If you can't stand the heat get out of the damn kitchen.

Yes, I agree, they should be prepared to answer genuine questions as best they can but this was an intentional attack. This man was not interested in having his questions answered. He knew well the answers to the questions he was asking. He was interested in putting JW's on the spot for the purpose of tripping them up and capturing it all on video. Kitchens are hot places sometimes but usually they are bearable. Somethings a bit off when a person opens the door of a hot oven just to see how uncomfortable he can make things for everybody and then videos their reaction.

It's ironic that so many JWs today run away from confrontation when the field service work is based on going to people's home and trying to convince them that they are about to be annihilated if they don't join the right organization.

I've seen JW's "run away " as you say, from confrontation but I've more often than not seen them do their best to answer people's questions. When I have seen them "run" it has only been because it was obvious the person wasn't interested in answers or learning about the JW religion and was only interested in arguing. If we are honest here, we will admit that JW's as a rule are only too happy to talk to people with questions so long as the person is genuinely interested in understanding their religion and isn't simply there to confront them or has an axe to grind.

I feel that if this cameraman had gone somewhere to film a known pedophile being sent out into field service accompanied by elders - THAT kind of you tube might accomplish more good. At least in exposing how unjust and dangerous the WT organization is in KNOWINGLY sending out known sex offenders to peoples homes thus putting minor children in danger.

I agree. To walk up to these young people, put a camera in their face and treat them like fools was unkind. Save the animosity and these expose' style confrontations for someone who is proven to have done something truly wrong.

As a Jehovah's Witness for 40 years, I don't ever remember one talk about helping out any person who was down and out? All I remember was placing magazines and books!

I think JW's have a long way to go in terms of doing good for their fellow man in the here and now. The same could be said of governments who spend billions on missions to mars, for example, when they have people dropping like flies from hunger and disease.

As we all know, JW's foremost mission and their small piece of the large tapestry of human civilization right now, is to promote a "long term" fix for mankind's problems. We don't have to agree with them but that's what they do... that's their work. Their goal that day and at that very moment when they were captured on video, was to simply be a presence on the street in case there was interest. In spite of their main mission, I'm quite sure no one in the congregation would have found fault these young JW's if they'd have gone across the street and bought the homeless man something to eat even if their organization as a whole isn't involved in that particular activity.

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Just ask simple questions and make street witnesses move along

by OnTheWayOut in

you don't have to know much to talk to jw's and show them they don't want to really discuss the matters.they consider a discussion on the matter they are pushing to be "confrontational.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfw_txpmsj8.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lqtadagucq.

exwhyzee

EVIL in a SUIT..
...Recruits to Support a Genocidal Organization..

Genocide: The systematic murder or destruction of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.

Genocidal...really ?? Granted there was a lot of damage done but in all my decades as a JW I never saw anything close to what could be categorized as systematic murder or destruction of anything .

Exaggerate much Outlaw?

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Just ask simple questions and make street witnesses move along

by OnTheWayOut in

you don't have to know much to talk to jw's and show them they don't want to really discuss the matters.they consider a discussion on the matter they are pushing to be "confrontational.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfw_txpmsj8.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lqtadagucq.

exwhyzee

So those of you who feel these young greenhorn amateurs were at a disadvantage....take it up with these kids 'Mother' (WTBTS) who put them there!!!

Exactly....Take the video camera to the WTBTS Headquarters. Why bully and publicly humiliate the victims while the responsible ones hide behind the walls of a giant publishing house?

All the cameraman was proving was how unfit most JW's are in defending the 'Good News'!

We know nothing about these individuals except what the cameraman chose to show us. The only thing he proved is what a coward and a bully he is and how these decent folks recognized a no win situation and they wisely chose to remove themselves from it. Why should they have to defend anything to someone who is obviously a bully with an agenda ?

9 years old or 99 years old ...ordained or not....they didn't deserve to be treated this way. Whether the cameraman likes it or not they should be able to stand on the sidewalk without being harassed and they should be free to choose whether they want to be interviewed on camera or not. It is very telling of a person to see how he treats those who are at a disadvantage to him. He knows JW's to be kindly as a rule and their message a peaceable one. I'd like to see him try this with any other group he might see assembled on a city sidewalk. (International Longshoreman's Association, Black Nationalists) . As much as he may disagree with their agenda or dislike their message, my guess is he'd be too much of a coward to pull a stunt like this on any other group except JW's or possibly a group of Girl Scouts.

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Just ask simple questions and make street witnesses move along

by OnTheWayOut in

you don't have to know much to talk to jw's and show them they don't want to really discuss the matters.they consider a discussion on the matter they are pushing to be "confrontational.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfw_txpmsj8.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lqtadagucq.

exwhyzee

If JWs choose to set up shop in public places they need to be ready for questions. After all they turn up at stranger's doors uninvited and ask (what some would consider to be) very personal questions, just so they can tell the householder how wrong they are. That's rude!

Yes... "IF" they were to ask the householder very personal questions for the sole purpose of telling them how wrong they were, that it would indeed be rude. "IF" they showed up at the householders doorstep and asked personal questions, videotaped their responses then edited and posted them on youtube , that would be rude as well as unkind and just plain wrong. To be fair, as bad as we may think they are, I'm sure we can agree, not even the worst JW's intent is to ask questions just to show a householder how wrong they are.

As much as my life was and is adversely effected by JW's, I don't like to see older more experienced and prepared persons (the cameramen) publicly humiliating younger ones like this. These young folks are victims of this organization and are still at an age where they are trusting and are under the influence of those who went before them and who passed on this way of life to them. To me,it was a form of bullying to ambush them with a camera like that. The presence of a video camera and the nature and the setting of their work, placed them at a disadvantage. If the cameraman truly cared about them as individuals or getting answers to his questions, he could have spoken to them off camera as they asked him to do several times. It was his sole intent to put them on the spot. There was no way for them to come out ahead in this situation. If they'd have given him the perfect answers, we'd have never seen this video because his agenda would have been foiled and likely wouldn't have been posted on youtube.

In addition, if the cameraman truly cared about the homeless man laying on the sidewalk, he could have interviewed him, gotten his permission and aired his plight on youtube and possibly made a difference somehow. Instead (it appears) he chose to go after these well meaning yet easy targets who were quietly standing on the sidelines with their literature.

Sometimes on this site JW's are condemned for bothering people at their doors or asking too many questions and also condemned when they stand quietly and wait for people to approach them. We've got to cut them some slack once awhile and give them some credit now and them.

Videos like this make me really question if I'm on the right track here. I don't want to be in any shape or form,"that guy".

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Just ask simple questions and make street witnesses move along

by OnTheWayOut in

you don't have to know much to talk to jw's and show them they don't want to really discuss the matters.they consider a discussion on the matter they are pushing to be "confrontational.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfw_txpmsj8.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lqtadagucq.

exwhyzee

I felt really bad for these nice kids having been put on the spot like this. With all the JW training in overcoming objections still burned into my brain from my growing up years as a JW, I was rooting for them and hoping they'd come through. I have two son's, so the father in me wanted to jump in there and help them out. There were any number of responses they could have given and I'm sure later, they though of all the things they could have said. These kids aren't used to being around harshness or rudeness nor were they prepared to have a camera shoved in their faces and asked questions from someone who was more interested in proving a point about JW's rather than having his questions answered.

It may have been perfectly legal to video them like this but it just wasn't a nice thing to do.

JW's +1

Cameraman -0

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2015 Regional Convention Theme - unofficial-

by WatchTower87 in

news about 2015 regional convention theme?.

list of my preview:.

- the end is at hand.

exwhyzee

Prov 3:9 Honor Jehovah With Your Valuable Things. ( 2015 Give Us The Money District Convention)

Prov 3:9 Honor Jehovah with your valuable things,

With the firstfruits* of all your produce;*+

Then your storehouses will be completely filled,

And your vats* will overflow with new wine.

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Why I like Jehovah's Witnesses

by undercover witness in

i keep reading that jehovah's witnesses are in effect monsters.

i keep reading that they kinda leave chaos and distrust in their wake.

so i simply wondered if anyone had anything nice to say about them?.

exwhyzee

Not everything they say or do, nor everything they believe, stands up to examination from the heart, but the vast majority of what they say about the Bible is correct and can be demonstrated by them from every version of the Bible. And they mean you well. Without hatred in their hearts nor money on their minds.

So I simply wondered if anyone had anything nice to say about them?

There's woman who just started doing temporary receptionist work in our office. She's working with a government program that helps older minority women get back into the workforce. After the holidays I was standing nearby and heard her mention to someone that she's a JW and doesn't celebrate Christmas. Today I told her I had overheard her say that and wondered if I had heard correctly. She replied very respectfully and solemnly "Yes Sir...I've been a Jehovah's Witness for over 30 years now". It felt strange to have a older black woman address me, (a white male) as "Sir" that way because I am not her supervisor or her superior in any way and I had talked to her one on one many times before without that kind of reacition. I realized she might have just been saying that because she was in full JW mode and wanted to make a good JW impression.

Anyway, I told her that up until a few years ago I had been a JW myself and was even a Bethelite at one point but had stopped going to meetings for various reasons. She gasped and was very impressed about me having been a Bethelite. She asked me if I'd ever thought of going back. I told her that it had crossed my mind but that too many things had happened for me to ever feel the same.

She asked me what happened and I told her that I didn't want to go into too much detail here at work but one thig was that my father died a horrible death from not taking a blood transfusion after a surgery and then about 2 years later the Governing Body decided that taking blood fractions was OK. I told her that those fractions would have most likely saved his life.

She looked puzzled and said she never heard anything about blood fractions and wasn't sure what I was even talking about. I told her that a few years ago the Governing Body decided that if whole blood was separated out into its various components or fractions, certain fractions could be used for medical purposes and still be considered "abstaining" from blood. Anyway we simply stopped going to meeting after this and a few other similar things happened one after another. My wife and I are pretty much friendless now because no one but a few family members will associate or talk to us, even though we've done nothing other than stop going to meetings.

Her phone rang just then but before she answered it she said "Well, I've never heard anything about blood fractions but I wouldn't have stop talking to you".

I'll have to wait and see if she want's to hear more the next time I see her.

Anyway, to answer your opening question, I'd have to say that JW's as individuals are typically lovely people and I can think of lots of nice things to say about them. They have their faults like anyone else but I find that so many of them are unclear or unaware of many important details about their own beliefs and how they have evolved over the years and the price so many have paid from altering their lives around those now changed beliefs. JW's are prepared to die or let their children die, upholding beliefs they aren't really clear about. As an organization, because of their beliefs and the enforcement of them, JW's are directly responsible for prematurely ending lives or permanently altering whole family lineages. On the surface it all looks well and good. But it's only when you have a crisis or conflict yourself or when you become aware of the experiences of (likely) millions of individuals who's experience as a JW has been less than ideal, do you get a true picture of the impact of this organization and why it's beliefs and members are sometimes viewed as peculiar .

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deliberate deception by org

by Magnum in

there is ample evidence of the jw organizations being deceptive (for example, misusing quotes in publications such as the trinity brochure and the creation book), but a few years ago i noticed one glaring example of deception that is worth noting..

part #4 for the theocratic ministry school for the week of july 21, 2008 was how can false prophets be identified?

the material was the reasoning book beginning on page 132 (there was a similar service meeting part the week of 8-26-13)..

exwhyzee

If this isn't a case of outright deception, it does at the very least demonstrate that these folks are not worthy of our trust when it comes to furnishing reliable unbiased information.

In terms of Watchtower teachings, the expression "Trust...but verify " comes to mind. JW's trust the organization without question and most rarely verify the information that is furnished. The ones who do, wind up in the same situation as most of us here.

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i know this has been talked about. but isn't wearing JW.org stuff idol worship

by goingthruthemotions in

jw
friends

so i am getting really frustrated...i see jdub's wearing jw.org items and .

isn't this idol worship.

respond if you like...i just want some .

exwhyzee

Idol worship....really?? This may be taking the fault finding of JW's a little too far. JW's believe that people can learn life saving"Truth" when they go to JW-dot-Org .Their goal in wearing the button is to make people curious enough to go to the website or make the website known so that more people discover their organization and what they call "The Truth". It's basic advertizing. They still say they worship Jehovah and believe that making his name known is part of their worship of him and they believe these buttons and banners advertizing their website will help others to do the same.

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Seen smoking a cigarette

by Godsendconspirator in

i won't say i got "caught" because that would imply i was keeping my habit hidden.

i'm tired of constantly doing that with these guys.

yesterday, my friend and i were waiting for some people and decided to smoke a cigarette to pass the time.

exwhyzee

"Abstain from smoke!" Any "scripture" that really and actually forbids smoking? Didn't think so!

Isn't there a scripture that says something like..."Again I tell you, it is easier for a pack of camel filters to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a smoker to enter the kingdom of God."