why won't any jw call me?i always call them and they avoid me or meet me only for study and meetings.they won't even start a conversation with me on msn!i feel somewhat uncomfortable within jw 'friends'.i have prayed a lot about this all of my adolescent years and still no response.did this happen to you too?.
leavingwt:
I was just thinking- not that I suggest this- what if someone filled in that contact form for the houses of multiple "apostates"?
The 'hoovers would call on the house thinking the person's interested, and then...
Surprise!!!
Ahhhh... I love parties.
one fine saturday morning you're sleeping in, when the doorbell rings.. to your surprise, when you answer the door, it's- you guessed it- a duck.. so the duck tells you, "hello, my name is mallard.
i talk to jesus so you should listen to me because the world will end in 10 seconds.".
you say to the duck, "interesting...", you say.. 3 minutes pass while the duck is hiding his cross, child abuse papers, and freemason symbols.... .
MsDucky- Haha!
one fine saturday morning you're sleeping in, when the doorbell rings.. to your surprise, when you answer the door, it's- you guessed it- a duck.. so the duck tells you, "hello, my name is mallard.
i talk to jesus so you should listen to me because the world will end in 10 seconds.".
you say to the duck, "interesting...", you say.. 3 minutes pass while the duck is hiding his cross, child abuse papers, and freemason symbols.... .
One fine saturday morning you're sleeping in, when the doorbell rings.
To your surprise, when you answer the door, it's- you guessed it- a duck.
So the duck tells you, "Hello, my name is mallard. I talk to Jesus so you should listen to me because the world will end in 10 seconds."
You say to the duck, "Interesting...", you say.
3 minutes pass while the duck is hiding his cross, child abuse papers, and freemason symbols...
might."
You say to the duck, "The world isn't ending- you just told me that to scare me into believing you. You couldn't be talking to Jesus- you're just a regular old duck."
The duck then says to you, "I cannot lie, because I have the holy spirit, and the holy spirit doesn't lie."
You then say, "Well, then how do I know for sure you have the holy spirit? You just lied."
"I am not lying. I did not lie." says the duck. "Sometimes it's just hard to hear Jesus..." .
"Well, then how do I know you aren't lying, duck?", you say.
The duck replies, "Because I have the holy spirit...".
Any thoughs on this duck?
what qualities would you say they share w/ other high control groups?.
"If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck..."
Witless Response:
No, see, this isn't what it looks like- a regular duck.
It's so much more than a duck.
this duck has the backing of the holy spirit, because it says it does.
The duck told me it has holy spirit.
And I believe it, because the duck never lies- because it has the holy spirit.
prince is in the july issue of ebony.
in the article they called him a devout if questioning jw.
i dont see what he was questioning.
Black Sheep:
Pedophile stare, much?
i was just mulling over this in my head- no real research, so feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.. supposedly, 'we' get our information from the gb, correct?.
and jesus is head of said gb?.
so the gb gets their commands only from jesus, correct?.
I was just mulling over this in my head- no real research, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Supposedly, 'we' get our information from the GB, correct?
And Jesus is head of said GB?
So the GB gets their commands only from Jesus, correct?
But the GB receives informations and is communicated to by the Holy Spirit (at least, I'm assuming).
And the Holy Spirit is an active force only possessed by Jehovah... his "influence" so to speak, right?
So if this is true, then they can't be getting commands from Jesus as assumed, because he doesn't actually "have" the holy spirit, right?
Again, It's waaay past midnight and this probably sounds like total tripe, so go ahead and have at it. But please, be nice though
there is a jw lady i knew who lives out west who sells these things.. it reminds me of hellboy's companion,, that fish - eyed guy voiced by niles crane.. .
l literally laughed out loud. This is up high on the creepy scale... and I love what betterdaze said
the title pretty much explains it all... i don't want to go too much into my story (for paranoid fear of identification), but i have been raised in the "truth", and got baptized at a young age- too young to truly understand what i was getting into.
i still live with my parents, and as such don't want to make a move just yet, as it would destroy virtually everything i have left.
as of now though, i see myself leaning towards agnosticism.. here's my short sob story.
It's okay yknot- you're not a wet blanket lol.
I think what I meant to get across is that they spoke of the talk the entire time, using "May", but then presented the book, which said "will", which made me wonder why at one point they would be so sure and then change their mind.
The only reason I could see them as emphasizing the word "may" would be to play off things like when it was said the resurrection would start in 1925 and such. Remember, I'm just now learning these things lol, so I'm still trying to get my history sanitized from the opinionated viewpoint of the society. Thanks for pointing it out.
the title pretty much explains it all... i don't want to go too much into my story (for paranoid fear of identification), but i have been raised in the "truth", and got baptized at a young age- too young to truly understand what i was getting into.
i still live with my parents, and as such don't want to make a move just yet, as it would destroy virtually everything i have left.
as of now though, i see myself leaning towards agnosticism.. here's my short sob story.
OMG Thank you all so much for the advice! You don't know how much this means to me; I got a lump in my throat. I didn't expect so many to, well... frankly, care. I will try putting all the advice to good use for sure.
Because of my depression I haven't been focusing on school as I should (coupled with constant nagging to study something I know is not even real).
This depression has made me not want to do much of anything, and it makes me sound self centered but I wish i could convey how hurt I am at this point in my life- I've even mulled over suicided on occasion (Something I would never do, but nevertheless it's passed through my mind).
As for fading while I'm still home, it will be very difficult, as I have a LOT of eyes on me, so to speak. I'm one of the "exemplary" ones... My parents truly believe in what they teach, and there's no way I could live in this house while fading out. They will employ pretty much everything short physical abuse in making me realize how "wrong" I am in my decision- which is funny, because on one hand they praise me for being smart, but everytime I correct them on something they won't believe me until I literally try to show it to them.
------Boring pseudo-science, skip if you want-----------
For an example, at age 13 I started thinking about how the fact that nobody can "see" God could be explained, scientificall. In the bible it always refers to Jehovah and all other spirit creatures living in the heavenly realm. This was completely seperate from the earthly realm. Applying this to current scienctific theory and you realize that in an attempt to explain how the universe and everything within it came from nothing, scientists believe that a "bubble" from another, unknown dimension transpired into the big bang, which is both the result and cause of our general four dimensions- the three dimensions of space we live in, and the fourth, time. Because time is only a dimension of our universe, it couldn't apply to this "bubble", meaning that it wasn't bound by the laws of time.
Compare this with the bible and what we know about God- Jehovah- and you see that scripture was actually not that far off. It says that he created the earthly "realm", which could be connected to the tirm dimension, as both involve a set amount of something, whether it be space or something else, and which also has boundaries. Jehovah could easily be what science says was this "bubble".
Of course, you don't have to understand, nor believe what I have just said. In fact, I probably didn't even convey the idea exactly the way I want to, possibly making it sound silly or otherwise. But IN MY HEAD, I find it fascinating to make these connections for myself, to prove things. And this was one of them. Nobody cares though.
-------End of boring stuff, lol :p ---------------------
Anyways, I am looking for a stable job, and am saving up all my money for a place, hopefully out of town. In the meantime I'm just going to try and keep my head on, and stick to the plan- be james bond for a little while lol (my favorite character of all time :] ).
I appreciate your help, and hope to look forward to more conversations- possibly friendships :)
cheers!
my wife is still in and no matter what logic i show her, she still wants to continue with the cult.
for me, she's a lost cause.
i explained the 607 factor and her reaction to that was "well, that isn't important to me as i still believe, plus, there's no where else for me to go.".
From personal experience (I have been raised in this, currently trying to get out) I believe the best way to go about this tough situation is to, of course show no threat to your wife. I don't know if you know this, but there are women who are regularly praised and presented at our assemblies for circumventing husbands who threatend to withold their children from the "truth". Denying her the ability to take the kids to the meetings does nothing but convince her that Satan is out to ge her and is using you as his pawn.
Even though your reasoning is logical, she is almost bound to look blindly right through it, and to her, what you are saying sounds similar to this: "A nuclear bomb is coming in 15 minutes and there is a safe bunker down the street but I'm not letting you take the kids there, I want them to die with me."
So, yeah, this is what it sounds like when you say that to her, and depending on how "convicted" she is, she is likely to just find ways of getting around you.
Moving on, I think the best way to do this is to spend as much time with your girls as possible- develop a loving accepting bond with them, and as they grow up ask them question to contradic what Mom is teaching. For example, perhaps when the 3 year old is old enough that she's learned bible stories and the like, you could ask her questions like "If God created all animals, why are some made to be bad, like poisonous snakes and frogs?". Promote creativity, and freedom. More importantly, teach them to ask "Why" about everything, no matter how silly the question or the answer. Let them make friends outside of the JW organization; in fact, promote it. If you have friends/family who are not JW's and they have kids yours get along with, let them play together and form a bond.
As they get older, and more into JW teachings bring up more though provoking questions and research, proving the lies in the organization, such as exactly how 1914 is calculated, and why it is wrong, or how if the Governing Body is divinely guided, why they keep changing, sometimes in a backwards fashion, and making huge decisions that will affect their life without even praying. This way, they will hopefully by the time they're old enough to reason and ask questions, they'll realize it's all a fake. If they do plan on getting baptized as they get older, ask them if they're really doing it for Jehovah or because either everyone else is doing it or people keep telling them to. Let them know what will happen if they get baptized, such as how if they ask why too much they might get in trouble, and if they get disassociated they can't really hang with mom when they get older, or anyone else at the hall. Focus on disfellowshipping and disagreement. Show them that it will be hard to ask "why" because of fear.
This all require much planning, research, tact, and work on your part, but if you love your daughters this is a way.
I hope you best on your path in life, and your daughters.
