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  Specific Comments By R&F About May Broadcast

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
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  i know there are many posts discussing the may money requesting televangalism...er... broadcast i mean!

  but i wanted to start one where anyone can put what they have heard any non-exjw, non-apostate witnesses say good or bad about the broadcast.

  i don't see how it can't rattle followers... but then again i might be surprised how they can twist things (2+2=5).

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  Crazyguy15 minutes agoThey actually said they haven't asked for money before?

  Yes...but then Lett went on to "define" what "ask for money" actually meant. He stated (not verbatim, but close enough): "We've never given you a slip of paper telling you what specific amount to contribute. I've told bible studies before that someone could attend meetings for 20 years and never put a single penny in the contribution box and WE would never know. But Jehovah would!"

  
  
  

  My spouse just about walked out of the room when he said that.
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  Specific Comments By R&F About May Broadcast

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know there are many posts discussing the may money requesting televangalism...er... broadcast i mean!

  but i wanted to start one where anyone can put what they have heard any non-exjw, non-apostate witnesses say good or bad about the broadcast.

  i don't see how it can't rattle followers... but then again i might be surprised how they can twist things (2+2=5).

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  My spouse (who is not "awake"...as far as I know) was very upset by it and said to me:

  "You don't understand. I really shouldn't have watched that. It makes me not want to be a Jehovah's Witness. Don't tell me you've never asked for money in 130 years, then spend 90 minutes asking for money. I never thought the Governing Body would be so dishonest and misleading to our faces about how much money they spend, and on what. They're not getting another dime from us until they put out detailed financial reports like every other big non profit out there."
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  May tv broadcast

  by New day in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  somebody on another thread suggested that those still in could express their opinions on steven lett's performance.

  i am still in and i was shocked, dismayed and saddened by it.

  i became a witness over 30 yrs ago and the issue of donations was a non-issue for so many years.. now, it is a huge one for the org.

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  Is it possible for a mod to merge all the May JW broadcast threads?
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  4 New BOEs as of Tuesday 4/28

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  we thank our informant for these documents and hope he/she will remain under the radar safely!.

  click the green download button... 2015 april 17, boe (re: meeting medical needs in the foreign-language field).

  .. http://wwwb.fileflyer.com/view/gukk6aq.

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  The terminology here is for the UK version. In the U.S, I don't believe Advanced Directives (yes, that's what they're called here) ever expire. If I were a betting man, I'd bet this is specific for the UK branch territory. Can any elder in the U.S. confirm whether this applies here, too?

  I was wondering the same thing. But typically privacy laws are stronger in the UK and Europe, so I'd be surprised if there was an instance where U.S. privacy laws prevented the WTS from doing something, but UK/EU law permitted it.
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  Mays JW TV Broadcast/Your feedback is appreciated

  by ToesUp in

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  i have a pretty good intuition but i have to admit i am going back and forth on the jw tv may broadcast.

  i keep asking myself are they really in financial trouble (wishful thinking) or are they just grabbing for more money?.

  i always appreciate reading everyone's thoughts and ideas on here.. let me know what you think.

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  All for show6 minutes agoSome still In friends, faithful and sadly asleep, said they are so discouragedby the broadcasts.

  Do you mean the broadcasts in general, or this specific one? If it's this specific month, I'd be curious to know what was said by those who are "asleep".
  

  I did notice that over on jwtalk dot net, the monthly "dancing in the Kool Aid fountain" that typically occurs when the monthly broadcast is released is strangely absent this month. Most of the posts on the thread relate to technical questions on how to download, etc. There is one depressing post about how someone will buy less fresh food, cancel cable TV, and potentially cash out life insurance policies to increase their donations.
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  May tv.jw.org program

  by zophar in

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  the may broadcast on tv.jw.org.

  we need money!.

  http://tv.jw.org/#video/vodstudio/pub-jwb_201505_1_video.

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  So I finally got my significant other ("SO") to watch the relevant parts of this JW broadcast. My SO typically refuses because, "It will make me think we're in a crazy cult."

  Well my SO watched it and flipped out at many of the misleading statements, half-truths, etc. that have already been noted by many of you on this thread (without prompting from me). The response at the end: "I wish I never saw that. You don't understand. Watching that makes me not want to be a Jehovah's Witness."

  Needless to say, I don't think I'll be getting any pressure to swipe our debit card at the next CA or RC...
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  They're Making it Impossible to Fade

  by DarioKehl in

  1. watchtower
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  for those of you who have already faded due to family still being in, have you noticed how the noose is tightening?.

  if it's not memorial, it's special day assembly.

  if it's not that, it's convention or the special talk.

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  I haven't carried a blood card in 5-10 years, nor has my spouse. My spouse has said (more than once) that the logic behind the blood policy is weak at best, and easily argued against...but would still refuse blood when it came down to it. A little confusing, but I haven't ever pushed on the issue.

  If this scheme of collecting copies of everyone's blood cards does play out, I'll be curious to see how it plays out in my family.
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  JWs are being told Watchtower is financially strapped because they forgave Kingdom Hall mortgages!

  by PokerPlayerPhil in

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  here's why the governing body did that little line on jw broadcasting, i have a source still inside new york and being as sneaky as ever, the watchtower is claiming they need the cash because they forgave the kingdom hall mortgages!

  not all the kingdom halls are hitting the targeted monthly donation-revenue range, they are still asking other kingdom halls to pony up cash for kingdom halls that can't afford the "recommended donation rate".

  pure evil, that's the jehovah"s witness watchtower theocratic war in action!

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  tim3l0rdan hour agoI saw the same post as you. Someone posted a copy of it on Reddit. It read like it was full of sarcasm to me. I really hope it was someone being sarcastic or an exjw trolling.

  
  

  I read the original post on jwtalk dot net. Sadly, the original poster was completely serious; no sarcasm. (Hopefully they still have money for Kool Aid.)
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  Ties at the Kingdom Hall

  by CloseTheDoor in

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  couple of weeks ago an elder took a young man aside and crawled all over him after the tms for wearing a "skinny" tie.

  it was one of those 2 inch wide ties.

  nothing bright or scandalous about.

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  On theWayOut, "As an elder, I wore animal ties."
  

  Haha...can't imagine many elders are wearing Hermes animal print ties!!!
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  They're Making it Impossible to Fade

  by DarioKehl in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those of you who have already faded due to family still being in, have you noticed how the noose is tightening?.

  if it's not memorial, it's special day assembly.

  if it's not that, it's convention or the special talk.

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  ecan6an hour agoDid you just say that the Elders want to keep a copy of your medical directives? That is, there is the one that you are expected to keep in your wallet and now they want a copy that is to be kept else where??

  
  

  Someone posted a group of new BOE letters a week or so ago:

  
  

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/242410001/4-new-boes-tuesday-4-28

  
  

  several of which are on the HLC/blood issue. One specific checklist for service group overseers directs them to ensure they have a current copy of each person's signed Advanced Medical Directive. Two excerpts from the checklist:

  
  

  You should confirm with each member of your group that they have a signed, witnessed and dated AD document, less than 5 years old. It is helpful to review the completeness and legibility of the document to ensure no mistakes have been made.

  For each member of your group, check that copies have been lodged with the witnesses of the AD document, the emergency contact, the publisher’s GP, and the congregation secretary.