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  Warwick -How much will it cost to build?

  by TakeOffTheCrown in

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  there are some good minds on this forum.

  how much will it cost, in your estimation, to build warwick?

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  Hard to estimate since they're using a mix of paid and donated labor. Plus, you should probably factor in the expense of housing, transporting, and feeding volunteers. If this was a 100% commercial project, I'd ball park it in the $300 million range. I'm guessing it's costing them about $200 million, all in.
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  The wonderful things you hear AFTER you step down as an elder!

  by redpilltwice in

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  well, well, that was quite a heartfelt welcome on this site four days ago.

  thank you all for the encouraging replies.

  one of them was this one from magnum: "hey now, don't just pop your head in and disappear.

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  I'm sure he reads this board as well although for the sake of plausible deniability, neither of us have mentioned it.

  Pretty sure at least one good friend reads here as well; he's mentioned visiting JWFacts before. Any time we have an exchange about some crazy thing or another the Org has done/said, he follows it up with "we REALLY need to split a bottle of scotch and chat."
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  To all JDub lurkers: How can you continue to preach knowing that you are telling lies?

  by macys in

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  2. bible

  this is a damn serious question.

  you must know by now that jerusalem was not destroyed in 607 bce and that 607 was initially picked by ct russell by using his "pyramid scheme" measurements.

  there is no hiding these facts yet you continue to preach this nonsense.

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  How can you continue to preach knowing that you are telling lies?

  Unless said lurker decides to just turn in a slip every month with fake hours.
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  The disappointed look on a Jehovah's Witness face - that you're living a good and fulfilling life

  by jambon1 in

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  another thread got me thinking of this issue.

  i don't think you'll ever come across a set of people with such a skewed and twisted outlook on life.. my memory serves me well when i recall a sort of blood lusting excitement over things like the 9/11 atrocities.

  in fact i remember jw's describing the event as 'sad but exciting.

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  That analysis seems pretty spot on from my view.

  My perspective is a bit different since we're still "in", but we miss a lot of meetings, mostly because we travel a lot -- for work, pleasure, and family. There are a couple of people in our congregation who ALWAYS start with "it's soooooo good to see you!" at just about every meeting we're at. It's written all over their faces that they want us to voice regret, or somehow skulk around in shame or apologize for not being there for 3 weeks. Instead we have big smiles and tell them how much fun the trip to [insert foreign country, opposite coast, etc.] was.

  We're still young(ish), educated, work hard enough to have nice things, and we're articulate and sociable. However, we've decided that it's not really worth it to waste our time on, or justify ourselves to, people with whom we share no similar interests or circumstances. We don't apologize, nor are we ashamed of how we spend our time, and the great opportunities and experiences we have in life.

  We are, by far, the least "spiritual" of our extended families. Yet, we seem to enjoy the greatest "blessings" out of everyone.

  Basically our life looks (and is) pretty awesome and you can see and feel the frustration/confusion on many of their faces as to why that is.
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  Counsel from Bro Losch (GB Member) to the Elders about the NFL

  by James Jack in

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  2. experiences

  while attending a week long training class for elders in patterson, bro losch gave the concluding talk about loyalty to the borg, which i was in awe of(i went more in detail in a recent post about a s.a.d.

  where losch was the speaker).

  at the end of his talk, here's what he said: .

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  An Elder sitting next to me from Alabama said: "that driver is in the wrong and needs to be counseled! I am going to write a letter to the Branch about this driver and his lack of respect toward members of the Governing Body"!

  Since he was from Alabama, he is likely a Crimson Tide fan, and therefore cannot understand why anyone would prefer the NFL to college football.
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  Is the Watchtower organisation facing the biggest crisis of its history?

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. scandals

  recent developments make me think they might be.

  the problems they are facing are not just lack of funds but also draining authority, and the two could be a heady and explosive mix.

  one of the best analyses ever written of the watchtower was a book called "trumpet of prophecy" by sociologist james beckford in the 1970s.

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  While I feel that JWdom could survive, I think it is beginning to go into a downward spiral. I think that spiral could end with a smaller, weaker JWdom or maybe a shake-up in leadership and theology (what some might call a cleansing or reformation). I just don't think it can recover in that it can start really growing again and picking up steam as it did after its former problems or crises.

  I get the sense that the "downward spiral" will be more evident in the "quality" vs. quantity of JWs. Whatever growth the organization has will likely be from those less educated, and from the more economically challenged parts of the world. As a result, the mathematical growth on the Annual Report will really be a representation of true growth in areas just mentioned, but those growth figures will be eaten into by the attrition that results as more and more people with critical thinking skills fade into inactivity.
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  Boredom at the Kingdom Hall meetings

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  put aside all the stupid rules,beliefs,doctrines and practices of the jehovah's witnesses.this is one of the main reasons why i stopped attending all meetings!

  boredom.

  monotone speakers.

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  I would bring THE NEW YORKER magazine and read the main article which usually took 45 minutes to read.That was the only way I would make it through the boring Watchtower study.
  One time an elder's little son looked back from his seat and caught me reading something different than the Watchtower. He looked at me and asked me,'' What are you reading?'' I said,''The Watchtower!'' He said,''That's not the Watchtower!'' He then tried to tell his mom on what he saw but the mom told him to be quiet.

  I was at the Regional Convention a few years back, and because of the tiered seating I was able to clearly see the sister in front of me spent the entire morning reading "50 Shades of Grey" on her iPad!!
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  Pictures in the Watchtower

  by Sour Grapes in

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  2. friends

  after sitting through last sunday's watchtower i got so sick of seeing the bobbing/nodding heads when talking about the pictures.

  they act like god himself took the picture.

  there must have been 10 comments about the group in service and the one brother was looking at his phone with a smile, which is a dead give away that he was reading something interesting.. what got me was how the older brother in the posed picture had a bible in his hand had a stern look on his face looking at the young brother.

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  alcyone3 hours agohttp://wol.jw.org/en/wol/mp/r1/lp-e/w13/2013/1406

  I'm blown away. For once the photo depicting working late isn't a white collar setting. Virtually every photo/illustration in WT publishing history that relates to the conflict between employment issues (overtime, flirting in the workplace, etc.) and spiritual responsibilities is an office/white collar setting. It's those scary college educated people working in offices that are the real danger.
  
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  Wow...not even sure this qualifies as a "fade"

  by respectful_observer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm posting this both as an anecdote and also to see if, by chance, this person reads this site.

  (if you do, it'd be great to catch up since you now live fairly close to me!).

  i've got a friend who until very recently was actively serving as an elder in hall close to bethel, and on a body heavy with bethelites.

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  Hope he's OK.

  He appears to be. One of his parents finally got in touch and was told he wanted to be left alone.

  I feel bad for him. He's a really nice guy who obviously is dealing with significant issues and feels like he has to literally cut off everyone in his life. I just wish he knew that there are people he could talk to that won't judge.
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  Wow...not even sure this qualifies as a "fade"

  by respectful_observer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm posting this both as an anecdote and also to see if, by chance, this person reads this site.

  (if you do, it'd be great to catch up since you now live fairly close to me!).

  i've got a friend who until very recently was actively serving as an elder in hall close to bethel, and on a body heavy with bethelites.

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  respectful_observer

  I'm posting this both as an anecdote and also to see if, by chance, this person reads this site. (If you do, it'd be great to catch up since you now live fairly close to me!)

  I've got a friend who until very recently was actively serving as an elder in hall close to Bethel, and on a body heavy with Bethelites. He suddenly moved out of the area, providing different explanations, and different destinations, to different people. As soon as he moved, he canceled all social media accounts and changed his cell phone number. Not even his family had means of contacting him or knew exactly where he moved. He has not been to a meeting since, his old body of elders has not been contacted by any new congregation or received any requests to move his publisher card elsewhere.

  Everyone-- friend, family, old congregation are completely flummoxed. He was an active, engaged elder one day, and completely off the grid the next.

  Brings a new meaning to entering the "witness protection" program.