Here are few related threads (but don't think any are the one I was thinking of)...will keep looking:
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/246661/wake-up-your-family-through-family-worship-night
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How to "turn the tables" on still-in witness who pry about our status.
by stuckinarut2 inso many of us have had (perhaps well-meaning) jws ask us questions about our inactivity, or lack of attendance at meetings.
they may pry about why..... how is this for a simple, yet straight to the point response?
to a sincere person, it may play on their mind and make them ask more questions.
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GDPR: help for PIMOs
by Fay Dehr inwe urgently need to offer "resistance strategy" help to pimos who are likely to be harassed by elders seeking their consent for wtbt$ to leech their data.
what questions could pimos ask elders, that elders would be unable to answer?
(thus buying time, because elder would need to "check with branch").
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Linking to earlier discussion: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4903326916280320/impact-gdpr-on-wt-hq-eu-branches
Perhaps someone can frame it this way:
"Thanks for the form. I've actually been asked to sign several of these lately (which may likely be true given the newness of the regulation). In fact my employer had a info sessions on the issue. They recommended that before we ever sign these, we have IN WRITING, the answers to the following 6 requirements of GDPR, and that if that organization refuses, we should refuse to sign (these points are extracted directly from GDPR requirements). I've reviewed the Global Data Protection Policy on jdub.org, but those points did not provide clear answers to these points:
- You must disclose to the individual: what data you collect on them, why, and what you do with the data (including what other parties receive the data and what they do with it)
- The individual must provide their written explicit consent that they agree to have the entity retain their data in the manner disclosed. Any changes to the terms require new consent from the individual
- Data collection must be proportional (i.e., only necessary data may be collected and can only be used for what you've previously disclosed to the individual)
- You can only keep the data as long as absolutely necessary, and must delete afterward. (e.g., even if a person demands deletion of their data, the organisation may be required to retain certain data points such as financial/tax data attached to a contribution)
- The individual must have: rights of access to all their data, the ability to correct it, and object to it
- The individual must have the "Right to be Forgotten" (i.e., they must be able to dictate that all their data be permanently erased
Can you please provide that before I sign?"
No doubt they'll freak out since you've asked for something "IN WRITING", which the Service Dept with be loathe to comply with. Of course it will be up to you how to navigate these waters afterward.
Perhaps ask, "so what are the consequences of not signing?" After they're response: "Hmmm....that seems like there's quite a lot of pressure for me to sign. Not having specific answers to my questions in writing, and this pressure to comply is making me feel very uncomfortable."
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Will the Watchtower Company in the near future start asking for a tithe?
by Sour Grapes init appears that the borg has some financial issues and i would think they are related to the hush money being paid out for the child molestation lawsuits to protect the guilty cult members and the fine untarnished reputation of the jdubs.. we have seen how much the borg refers to the hebrew scriptures for their guiding principles whenever it suits the borg's needs.
tithing certainly is laced throughout the old testament.
under the mosaic law, there were three tithes.
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Morpheus that is a good point. JDubs don't need to pass the plate they just pass another resolution.
My thoughts exactly.
They'll eventually (in the next 5 years, is my guess) institute "tithing-lite" at the congregation level. First phase will be the COs telling the elder body that it's important that the congregation contribute a minimum per publisher amount each month so the Branch knows how to anticipate cash flow for expenses, etc., because our God is a god of order. Then the whole arrangement will be formalized through letters and each congregation will adopt a resolution agreeing to commit to a monthly congregation donation of at least "$X" per publisher. The letter will reference how we "already do this" for annual donations to the self-insurance program, CO expenses, etc. ("See publishers? Nothing has really changed!")
The amount per published expected will be calculated and
dictatedsuggested by the Branch (similar to what they already do for Circuit Assembly expenses ("See elders? Nothing has really changed!"). Each congregation will adopt thedictatedsuggested amount by resolution, and the COs will track that metric on all visits moving forward.Done and dusted.
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Why Did JWs Abandon Brooklyn for the Sticks?
by Room 215 ini may have missed this, but can anyone tell me what was the pretext the gb concocted to justify their abandonment of a perfectly suitable, high-profile, high-visibility complex in what is arguably the world's greatest metropolis for the bucolic isolation of upstate new york.
any how does the move square with their purported belief in the imminence of armageddon?
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What I really don't get is why they didn't just build the new complex at Patterson OR Wallkill which both have a ton of space for all that.
Link Dislike LikeI've wondered the same thing. I actually raised the question to several family members who have lived at the various US Bethels. Each time, they look back with a puzzled look on their faces which then quickly shifts to a dismissive look. They typically respond with something along the lines of: "I don't understand your question. Obviously they had good reasons for needing a separate location."
On a side note, I don't think it's THE motivating reason, but I find it curious that now ALL THREE US Bethel campuses are in areas where there is next to zero cell signal coverage. (Come on, how many places within 1 hour of NYC don't have full coverage these days??) As a result, hot spotting on your phone, or surfing the web on your phone is next to impossible unless you're on the (heavily filtered WT WIFI). It's a great side benefit knowing those young brothers can look at naughty things online or surf apostate sites. -
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Gary Carver-Investment Manager!
by Atlantis ingary carver sure has some interesting friends.
look to your right.https://leadferret.com/directory/person/gary-carver/11516928atlantis!.
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Don't think Leadferret is an "investment page" per se, it seems to be simply a data aggregator that pulls names from any number of public corporate filing databases (legal corps, llcs, etc.) to display potential linkages between individuals and legal entities.
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I found a silver NWT at a very small library.
by blownaway inmy wife and i went to war eagle ar saturday.
there is a small library.
its about 18 inches x 18 inches.
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Someone got to count that as a placement, I'm sure!
They'll be so excited during their weekly stop while out in service and excitedly replace it with another one.
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Digital Billboards and Anti Witnessing.
by SnakesInTheTower injust thinking out loud here.
i drive a lot of miles for my job in the st. louis, missouri area.
digital billboards popping up.
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Tough to justify the expense of paying for a billboard when the message would only be intended for less than 1% of people driving by.
On the other hand, it would be somewhat comical to see what would happen if there was an anti-JW billboard in NY between the highway exit ramp and the entrance to the Warwick campus. Hundreds (maybe more) of JWs driving by that one every single day-- tour buses, visiting families, Bethelites commuting, etc.
Something non-confrontational, simple, and direct:
"It's time to discover the truth about 'The Truth'
jwfacts.com" (putting the logo in the blue (jw.borg) box style, of course)
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Is My Wife Awakening?
by My Name is of No Consequence inevery now and then, my wife will talk about how things are not making sense within the org.
i usually just dismiss it as her playing mind games with me.
for example, she would ask why there are so many branches being closed or why so many congregations are being merged.
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Those are pretty good points. I wonder if I can find where she is getting her info from without setting off alarm bells. Maybe I will just let it play out.
@MNIONC: Perhaps an alternative is to include something very specific in a post here or on Reddit that only she would recognize as coming from you. It could be something as innocuous as something she was wearing when she said something to you. For all you know she could be dropping all this topics in the hope you "out" yourself to her which will then give her the safe zone to open up more.
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Is My Wife Awakening?
by My Name is of No Consequence inevery now and then, my wife will talk about how things are not making sense within the org.
i usually just dismiss it as her playing mind games with me.
for example, she would ask why there are so many branches being closed or why so many congregations are being merged.
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I dunno...I think AudeSapere might be on to something.
She seems to be ticking off all the PIMO/POMO "greatest hits" issues way too easily. The only way I'd imagine a JW would be able to notice ALL those topics is to be plugged in here, Reddit, or some other similar forum.
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How many are PIMO ??
by Phizzy ini know we cannot answer this, how many are physically in, mentally out (pimo), but i heard an amazing piece of news the other day.. an ex-p.o and ex-elder, a long time regular pioneer, and when i knew him a stalwart believer, went for a drink with another jw who has actually left, but is not df or anything.. in the course of conversation he came out with this bombshell "well, i am actually an atheist now, i just go along to keep my wife happy".. i also heard of a number of youngsters that i know personally who are simply living their life as they want, whilst making sure they don't get df'd for family and social reasons.. if as it seems the pimo's are a huge number, could there be a huge " awakening" where they all realize they are in a huge group, and they all say " eff it, lets call it a day on all the jw s**t ".
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wishful thinking, but.....just possible ?.
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I think the percentage will vary depending on the region/country. I suspect the PIMO % is significantly higher in areas where levels of income and education are higher. In those areas, I wouldn't be surprised if the self-acknowledged PIMOs are 10-15%, followed by another 5-10% who would be PIMO, except they check their brains at the door or knowingly or unknowingly don't test their beliefs to simply avoid complicating their thoughts or lives.