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  How would the Borg view IVF?

  by purrpurr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  specifically if an unwed woman decided she wanted a kid without the hassle of dating/relationship /trying to get pregnant etc and just got a sperm doner with ivf?

  surely it's not fornication?

  the whole process is far removed from sex.

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  respectful_observer

  Lots of JW couples have used IVF. It’s no issue if you use your own sperm and eggs.

  The WT has an issue if you use donor eggs or sperm, then they make a logic jump to “fornication”. Now of course if a married JW couple used either a donor egg or sperm and kept quiet about it, hard to prove, and they’d probably never be challenged on it.

  In your scenario, a single JW sister would certainly have action taken. Either disfellowshipping, or maybe some public reproof and a marking talk if she claims ignorance or something.
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  Banners for London Protest

  by Farmer Jim1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi folks, i’m attending the london protest at the excel convention in august and am making some banners.

  i’m aiming for short but memorable sentences that will stick in jws minds and also make them laugh a little at their own organisation.. my best so far is ‘this is not a protest, it’s an overlapping protest’.

  has anyone got any ideas for more?.

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  respectful_observer

  Actually, scratch my suggestion above.

  All you need on your signs are these:

  Cheese danish or Apple? (If you picked cheese, you’re an apostate but just don’t know it yet)

  ...or this one...

  If you like semi-frozen orange juice you’re an apostate (you just don’t know it yet)

  Btw, I’m actually serious about these signs. Why not hook them with an inside joke? Just put “jwfacts.com” or “jehovahs-witness.com” at the bottom.
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  Banners for London Protest

  by Farmer Jim1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi folks, i’m attending the london protest at the excel convention in august and am making some banners.

  i’m aiming for short but memorable sentences that will stick in jws minds and also make them laugh a little at their own organisation.. my best so far is ‘this is not a protest, it’s an overlapping protest’.

  has anyone got any ideas for more?.

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  respectful_observer

  ^^^^^

  Google your hotel for reviews?: Yes

  Google your restaurant for reviews?: Yes

  Google your car for reviews?: Yes

  Google your religion?: NO!!!!
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  Do you know what Atalaya means? - Guess who's investing the big bucks!

  by oppostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  do you know what atalaya means?

  guess who's investing the big bucks!.

  http://www.atalayacap.com/about.

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  No WT connection.

  It’s a NYC-based private equity firm managing about $2.6 billion. None of its books and records are stored at any WT-related addresses. Firm ownership appears to be mainly associated with various Neuberger Berman legal entities.

  In the remotest chance there’s a connection, here’s a list of their key personnel:

  Ivan Zinn

  Raymond Chan

  Robert Flowers

  Adam Nadborny

  David Aidi

  Joshua Ufberg

  Drew Phillips

  Gerald Cammarata

  (More details can be found if you search for the firm’s name using FINRA’s Brokercheck tool and look at Atalaya’s Form ADV)
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  Female JW parking "attendants"

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was shocked recently to see on social media a couple pictures of jw sisters at a convention working as parking "attendants".

  i put that title in quotation marks because they still don't get the official attendant badge like the male parking attendants do, only the reflective vest.

  has anybody else heard of this .

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  Interesting. I was recently chatting with a brother who's the head of the Attendant Dept for his RC this year and he's only been about to recruit about 30% of the brothers needed; apparently many were telling him they were either unavailable or had already committed to working in Parking. So he called the Parking Dept Overseer and it turns out HE is way understaffed, with many telling him they'd already committed to working as Attendants!

  At this point the Attendants Overseer is very discouraged and doesn't understand why the younger brothers (18 - 45) just refuse to step up and help. He and the Parking Overseer even escalated to the Convention Overseer and were told that the other conventions being held at the same venue on other weekends are facing the same issue.

  All of this is rather amusing to me, as I know for a fact that in certain countries sisters are used as Attendants (yes, with badges), however it's just not allowed here (...yet...until NooLite of course).
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  Banners for London Protest

  by Farmer Jim1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi folks, i’m attending the london protest at the excel convention in august and am making some banners.

  i’m aiming for short but memorable sentences that will stick in jws minds and also make them laugh a little at their own organisation.. my best so far is ‘this is not a protest, it’s an overlapping protest’.

  has anyone got any ideas for more?.

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  respectful_observer

  People will only be stealing quick glances, so it would need to be very short and easy to remember to be effective.

  “jwfacts.com”

  “jehovahs-witness.com”

  “Why are you afraid to Google ‘Jehovah’s Witnesses’?
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  Behind the Scenes of Newsweek's "Bible Thumpers" Cover

  by Tahoe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.newsweek.com/behind-scenes-newsweeks-international-june-1-cover-art-960456.

  pretty neat story..

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  Wow...who knew. Apparently not everything is just Photoshop these days. Cool.
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  Favourite Quirky / Low Budget / Non-Mainstream Movies

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  so the recent topic about film franchises got me thinking.

  sure, we all love the big budget, mainstream releases that are so successful they spawn never-ending (it sometimes seems) sequels.

  we could watch marvel and star-wars movies for the rest of our lives (and we might just ...).. but y'know what i love?

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  "The Spanish Prisoner" (Steve Martin plays the lead, but it's not a comedy). David Mamet, so the lines are all intentionally delivered a little "over-the-top". Quirky little caper film that keeps you guessing until the end.

  Not completely "low budget" but a cult (no pun intended) classic in my own mind: "Clue" (yes, based on the board game)

  Was considered crap quality when it came out, and didn't make any money. That movie gets funnier every time I watch it. The ensemble casting could not have been better (Tim Curry, Madeline Kahn, Christopher Lloyd, Michael McKean, Martin Mull, etc.) the jokes could not have been more corny or better timed. In all honesty, I'm proud to say I could probably verbally follow along with every line of the movie. Many of those lines make regular appearances in my everyday banter. ("Split up?!" "One thing?" "I didn't do it!", etc....I could go on and on.)
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  LEAKED: WHQ Accounts: 2016-2020 Budget

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.

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  respectful_observer

  Having to "explain" in painful detail the basics of what a budget is and why its necessary as if they were speaking to children instead of finance departments of national organisations seems absurd in the highest degree! Obviously budgeting on that scale requires more skill than a simple household budget does, and they should be providing the training to each branch on how to manage complex budgets, not just speak to them like babies and tell them what a budget is.... no wonder they're in a financial mess.

  As someone pointed out on the parallel discussion on reddit, Seinfeld had a great skit back in the day how doctors condescend when explaining medicine...."the circle or the tube". That's basically the same approach these guys took with budgets:

  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jEZ4jKeXxgE
  
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  LEAKED: WHQ Accounts: 2016-2020 Budget

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.

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  respectful_observer

  Side observation: Wasn't there a specific effort about 15 years ago (?) to separate the Governing Body's authority and the "business" side of things-- thereby protecting the GB from the $$$ and vice versa? It stood out to me that Alex (the host) made several references in his intro to the GB clearly leading the Organization's financial and budget process.

  It seems that if the WT ever made a future claim in court that the GB is simply an ecclesiastical authority with no authority over the legal corporations' finances and decision making processes, this video would clearly discredit that claim.