While I see your point mouthy, how can I not be angry when my friends are insulted. Considering she knows most of them personally, I take great offense to that. I dont think I would be much of a friend if I didnt stick up for them when they are personally insulted.
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So much for being Christian
by MrFreeze inso, i found out a friend of mines cousin overdosed on drugs the other.
its absolutely awful.
i got a text from my mom this morning that said her friend who lives across the street from them said they had an overdose across the street.
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So much for being Christian
by MrFreeze inso, i found out a friend of mines cousin overdosed on drugs the other.
its absolutely awful.
i got a text from my mom this morning that said her friend who lives across the street from them said they had an overdose across the street.
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So, i found out a friend of mines cousin overdosed on drugs the other. Its absolutely awful. I got a text from my mom this morning that said her friend who lives across the street from them said they had an overdose across the street. I told my mom that his cousin had died. Here was her reply "at least it wasnt you. hopefully you will realize how stupid all of your friends are." That is an unbelievable response. I replied that I never even met his cousin. She said "but you hang out with Dave and it happened over his house." First off, have some freaking sympathy you poser Christian. Second, you just insinuated that Im a drugee. Third, you just made a personal insult to all of my friends. Fourth, I dont even know the guy who did it. I understand she is mad about my choice to abandon the religion and is trying to get to me somehow. Way to be a Christian, mom. You really do your religion and God proud by insulting a person who died, insulting my friends and making wild accusations. Screw this religion. It breeds nothing but hate.
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Why preach?
by MrFreeze ini wrote this up on my blog, thought maybe i'd share it here.
some of these points have been discussed by others but they are all very valid.
i've got three of the biggest reasons why preaching is worthless:.
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MrFreeze
I wrote this up on my blog, thought maybe I'd share it here. Some of these points have been discussed by others but they are all very valid. I've got three of the biggest reasons why preaching is worthless:
The most important part of being a Jehovah's Witness is to preach. They go door-to-door, they go to the street corners, they call people on the telephone. It's really amazing that these people are capable of undertaking that. I can't believe I could ever do it as well. While I do have the utmost respect for people who can do that work, at the same time I can't help but notice how pointless the whole thing is.
Pointless you say? Why would it be pointless? Well here's a couple points I thought of. I have been told by many Jehovah's Witnesses that those who have not heard the "good news" will be judged at Armageddon by their heart condition. Well then why should we preach? If heart condition is the deciding factor, why are we trying to make them Jehovah's Witnesses? If they won't be judged based on their status as JW's, why do we bother? If they were to hear the message and reject it, would they be destroyed at Armageddon for rejecting it? If I hadn't talked to them and not given them the chance to reject the message, would they have been spared at Armageddon? If that's the case then I've caused the future judgement of a lot of people in my time. I've talked to many people who turned away the message. I guess I would have been better off not preaching. It would have ended up saving more people in the end.
For that, and many other reasons (being the Watchtower literature's own words), I've come to the conclusion that JW's and the Governing Body think only JW's will survive Armageddon. Saying that God judges hearts is a just a way for JW's to avoid saying they think the person they are talking to is dead meat at Armageddon. JW's do a lot of double-talk to avoid saying what they really believe. Just goes to show you how awful and absurd most JW's think their beliefs are.
Another point to consider is that if the JW's message is so urgent, why do they pick the least effective way of delivering that message? Lives are supposed to at stake due to an apocalypse that is to occur any moment now. Yet they choose to knock people's doors? If you lived in New York City and government officials knew there was a problem with the drinking water, and they had only days until that drinking water reached people's taps, do you think they would send a small amount of people door-to-door warning people? Obviously not. They would utilize television, the radio. They might even impliment some sort of text message system to alert citizens. Yet JW's use a ridiculously lousy method of reaching people.
Lets also consider the hours that JW's spending preaching. Each year they spend over 1 billion hours preaching. It's a remarkable figure. But let's take a second to look into that figure. There are about 200,000 people baptized into the JW's each year. We aren't even going to get into the amount that are disfellowshipped, become inactive or die. Those numbers don't matter to my argument here. Okay so for 1 billion hours preached, 200,000 are baptized. That means it takes 5,000 hours of preaching to baptize one person. That means that if we were to spend 8 hours per day preaching, not taking any days off, it would take us 625 days to baptize one person. That's not far from two years. There is a problem with that though. How many of those baptized are JW children, coerced into getting baptized. Of all the people I've seen baptized, the majority of them are JW children. I'm going to give their numbers the benefit of the doubt and say that 1/4th baptized are people that aren't children of JW's. I doubt it is even close that high. It would probably be more accurate to say it's around 1/10, but even that seems a little high. I have no proof of that figure and there probably never will be any proof so this is just speculation. However, any honest JW would probably agree with me. By using the 1/4 number, that means it would take 20,000 hours of preaching to baptize one person. That means it would take 2500 days at 8 hours per day to baptize one person. That is nearly 7 years.
Lets take that number and factor it even further. Okay, based on our 1/4 number it is taking 20,000 hours to baptize one person. The average amount of hours per month for JW's is around 10 hours preaching. So the average JW spends 120 hours per year preaching. How many years would it take the average JW to baptize one person? It would take them 166 years. Yikes. That doesn't seem very effective, does it? What an unbelievable waste of time. -
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Did the Israelites lay eggs like reptiles?
by doubtful ini'm a newbie bible skeptic, but whenever i read the exodus account, i always had trouble swallowing the idea that a family of 70 people could possibly mushroom into a population of anywhere between 2-3 million in a matter of 215 years - (per the watchtower's timeline).
as i said before, math is not my strong suit, but here i will show my calculations regarding the possibility of this account, using the society's timeline.
i will ignore the fact that the bible says the nation of israel was in bondage in egypt for 400 years, and will instead use the 215 year timeframe, also because this harmonizes with the four generations from levi to moses.
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They were all humping like rabbits. There's your answer.
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UN & Watchtower : link deleted....
by yalbmert99 inhi everyone, someone just made me notice that the pdf document on the u.n. website proving that the watchtower associated itself as ngo from 1991(demand) to 2001 has been deleted or is missing.
http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/pdfs/watchtower.pdf i sent an email (very short since they don't allow more than 200 characters) to the un to inquire.
i doubt that they'll respond.i suspect that the watchtower pressured the un to deleted that link.....
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MrFreeze
Even the actual original UN site was not enough to sway hardcore JW's. They just drown it out.
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Something I've been wondering about
by MartynAndrew ini haven't been to a meeting in years and wonder what is the reason given for pioneering, or whatever else you can do.
i mean if you are saved by just heart condition, or two hours per month why should a person put in 45 or 90 hours.
i wish i would have asked a lot more questions, instead of just signing up.
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Martyn, I asked the elders the same question on Christmas day when they came to see me. The elders said people who hadn't heard the message would be judged based on heart condition. I think you are bloodguilty by preaching. By actually reaching people, you are signing their death warrant.
There is no reason to preach, if salvation is based on heart condition. It's for this reason I know for a fact that JW's believe only they will survive Armageddon. Why else would they try to convert people?
The elders never did give me any answer at all by the way.
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Out of all the religions in the world our family chose the Jehovah's Witnesses!
by RULES & REGULATIONS inaround 1970,two jehovah's witnesses knocked on my uncle's door and handed him a watchtower magazine.
he read it and started a bible study with the two witness brothers joined by his immediate family.
my uncle soon called my aunts,uncles,and my mom and dad.
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MrFreeze
Quite sucky odds... if you ask me.
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New Light. Is it new truth or simply new understanding on the underlying truth?
by garyneal ini went to the assembly for half a day today.
does truth change?".
"the truth does not change," she said, "but our understanding of it changes.".
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MrFreeze
Jeff Goldblum said it better than anybody else about new light:
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MrFreeze
I love Conan...
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Inviting djeggnog to discuss the blood doctrine
by jgnat indjeggnog invited me to start a new thread about the blood doctrine, which i am happy to do here.
his objection was my statement,.
"i've seen the blood video, a deceiving mix of scripture, fearmongering and pseudoscience, with plenty of lab coats in view.
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MrFreeze
It's hard to have a debate when the person you are supposed to debate with punks out...