Posts by MrFreeze

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Finally dared to register

by Hoffnung in

finally i registered today.

being a lurker for quite some months, i convinced myself it is time to give my own 2 pence from time to time.

i am living in europe and i am still 'in', although by now i must be counted as an inactive jw.

MrFreeze

I wish every JW could read these boards with an even semi-open mind. There might be about 144,000 JW's left in the world... hey you don't think?

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Here's what I have so far...

by MrFreeze in

okay so when i was talking with the brothers, somehow they got me to agree to come up with a list of jw teachings i don't agree with.

for some reason the po gave the number as "12".

don't ask me why he came to that conclusion.

simon, the second thing you did was EXACTLY what I tried and they seemed to see through that pretty easily. And Think About It, even if I don't use it here to full with the elders, I can still leave it posted on this forum to help somebody else who is struggling with doubts. It may not do anything to these elders or anybody else I know personally but I can at least keep the points in my mind for if I'm trying to help somebody else escape. If nothing else, it's at least helped me confirm my decision. I'll probably give a copy of the list to my mother as well. Maybe that will lay a seed of doubt. I can hope. There will be more coming, later tonight probably.

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Here's what I have so far...

by MrFreeze in

okay so when i was talking with the brothers, somehow they got me to agree to come up with a list of jw teachings i don't agree with.

for some reason the po gave the number as "12".

don't ask me why he came to that conclusion.

MrFreeze

Does it really matter if they DF me? No it does not. I'll probably just leave it at this and give it to them. I know they will DF me but they will probably do that anyway.

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Here's what I have so far...

by MrFreeze in

okay so when i was talking with the brothers, somehow they got me to agree to come up with a list of jw teachings i don't agree with.

for some reason the po gave the number as "12".

don't ask me why he came to that conclusion.

MrFreeze

That's a good point. Here's a few more things I have presented:

4) "If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now; But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. ? "New Light" never extinguishes older "light" but adds to it?" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 February pp.3, 188

So what Russell was saying that new light doesn't change doctrine but only refines it. It was correct but incomplete. You might say that the Governing Body is allowed doctrinal mistakes as Bible leaders in the past have made mistakes. The issue isn't whether individuals are imperfect, but whether or not their teachings are accurate. How many mistakes did God allow into the Bible?

Sure, maybe some of the early apostles made mistakes as well as ones such as Moses and David. This is a different issue all together. This isn't a question of if the Governing Body hold a perfect understanding of doctrine. The issue is whether the Governing Body is directed by the Holy Spirit as a group through prayer. Is Jehovah directing what is written in the Watchtower?

In the same line, what percentage of what the apostles wrote in the Bible wrong? The answer is zero because Jehovah directed it. What percentage of what the Governing Body has written in the Watchtower has been deemed wrong by their own admission?

5) Quotes about 1914:

"But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. Zion's Watch Tower 1894 July 15 p.226

"...the battle of the great day of God Almighty. The date of the close of that "battle" is definitely marked in Scripture as October 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874." Zion's Watch Tower 1892 January 15 p.23

"Now, in view of recent labor troubles and threatened anarchy, our readers are writing to know if there may not be a mistake in the 1914 date. They do not see how present conditions can hold out so long under the strain. We see no reason for changing the figures - nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." Zions Watch Tower 1894 July 15 p.226

6) Quotes about 1925:

"The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures because it is fixed by the law God gave to Israel. Viewing the present situation in Europe, one wonders how it will be possible to hold back the explosion much longer; and that even before 1925 the great crisis will be reached and probably passed." Watch Tower 1922 Sep. 1 p.262

"Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith then Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge." Watch Tower 1923 Apr. 1 p.106

"We cannot be blamed for presenting from the Scriptures such evidence as they afford which leads us to believe that a certain event will take place at a given time. Some times the Lord has let His people looking for the right thing at the wrong time, and more frequently they have looked for the wrong things at the right time. But all the enemies of the cause of present truth in the earth are fervently hoping that the Bible students will not be so successful in 1925 in looking for the right thing at the right time as they were in 1914. if they are, however, it will be the other fellow that will have to do the explaining, and not we." Golden Age 1924 Feb 13 p.314

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Is it wrong of me to think of the GB, the Writing Department, Bethelites, Pioneers, as moochers, and leeching bloodsuckers?

by miseryloveselders in

jw
friends

i'm exhausted right now.

it's been a very long day.

both physically, and mentally, althought the latter otweighted the former by tons.

MrFreeze

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, looks like a duck, then wait on Jehovah because new light is a comin!

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Here's what I have so far...

by MrFreeze in

okay so when i was talking with the brothers, somehow they got me to agree to come up with a list of jw teachings i don't agree with.

for some reason the po gave the number as "12".

don't ask me why he came to that conclusion.

MrFreeze

Okay so when I was talking with the brothers, somehow they got me to agree to come up with a list of JW teachings I don't agree with. For some reason the PO gave the number as "12". Don't ask me why he came to that conclusion. I agreed to it stupidly. I'm a man of my word so I got working on it. Here's what I have so far after working on it for a little bit:

1) "Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the great crowd, as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." Watchtower 1989 September 1 p.19

Is it really fair that if you aren't a Jehovah's Witness you will be destroyed at Armageddon? Imagine that Jehovah's Witnesses are not the true religion, do you think it would be fair for God to destroy you because circumstances led you to being involved with the wrong religion?

2)"The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers." Awake! 1993 Mar. 22 p.4

If that is the case, then where does new light come from? If their writings are not inspired from God, then why should we listen to them?

3) 587 the fall of Jerusalem. Using a simple time-line from Watchtower publications:

Babylon fell – 539 B.C.: “Babylon fell in 539 B.C.” - Babylon the Great Has Fallen – God's Kingdom Rules p.184

Nabonidus – started ruling in 556 B.C.: “On the basis of cuneiform texts he is believed to have ruled some seventeen years (556-539 BC).” Aid to Bible Understanding – Nabonidus p.1195

Labashi-Marduk – started ruling in 557 B.C.: “Labashi-Marduk... was a vicious boy, and within nine months he had his throat cut by an asssassin.” - Babylon the Great Has Fallen – God's Kingdom Rules p.184

Neriglissar – started ruling in 561 B.C.: “Neriglissar... reigned four years.” - Babylon the Great Has Fallen – God's Kingdom Rules p.184

Evil-Merodach – started ruling in 563 B.C.: “After reigning but two years, King Evil-Merodach was murdered” - Babylon the Great Has Fallen – God's Kingdom Rules p.184

Nebuchadnezzar – started ruling in 606 B.C.: “Nebuchadnezzar ruled as king for 43 years.” - Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2 p.480

Date for destruction would be 19 years later in 587 B.C.: “And in the nineteenth year of King Nebuchadnezzar the servant of the king of Babylon, came to Jerusalem. And he proceeded to burn the house of Jehovah.” - 2 Kings 25:8-9

I'm still working on some more things. They shouldn't be too hard to find. If you have any suggestions for me to include, let me have them. I know there's really no point to do this but I agreed to it. I'm sure they will use it to build the apostasy case against me but it doesn't really matter at this point.

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