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  New Book Exposing "Intelligent Design"

  by AlanF in

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  2. beliefs

  i thought some people would be interested in this, since the watchtower society has been gradually adopting (but not acknowledging the source) id-ish ideas for about a decade.. there's a new book out called creationism's trojan horse: the wedge of intelligent design (barbara forrest & paul r. gross, oxford university press, 2004).

  it shows very clearly that so-called intelligent design (id) is nothing more than standard creationism masquerading as something new.

  id is really just a jazzed up version of william paley's "watchmaker" argument, which in turn is a jazzed up version of the argument from ignorance -- "i can't imagine how that happened, so it didn't".

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  jukief

  I don't read this board very often, so please forgive me if someone else has already posted this.
  
  

  Here's my new ID ideology:

  http://venganza.org
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  Dansk is going to the hospital...

  by under74 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  next week dansk (ian) is going into the hospital to start chemotherapy.

  although i wish i would have thought of this before--ian mentioned on this week's vigil thread it would lift his spirits to receive cards from us on the forum.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/95617/1.ashx .

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  It looks like the rate has gone up. From what I could find, it's now 80 cents. http://www.qsl.net/w2vtm/postage.html
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  Dansk is going to the hospital...

  by under74 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  next week dansk (ian) is going into the hospital to start chemotherapy.

  although i wish i would have thought of this before--ian mentioned on this week's vigil thread it would lift his spirits to receive cards from us on the forum.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/95617/1.ashx .

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  I think a standard envelope costs 60 cents to mail to the UK from the US.
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  Green song book over 30 years old. Need the name please.

  by Burden in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i want to find a copy and the name of the green song book.

  not the pink one, nor the brown one.

  it is will over 30 years old.

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  jukief

  I really like some of the songs from the old green songbook. Some of them were quite rousing. When I was a kid, my congregation really got into singing them. There was one song (can't remember which one) where the men and women would split up the chorus, with the men singing one part and the women the other. We used to actually have *fun* with music back then. I have a copy of that songbook and like to play some of my favorites on the piano from time to time. The songbooks after the green one sucked. The brown one that came out in 1984 or so (I left right after they released it) is awful. Really awful. That's what happens when you allow only songs written by JWs.
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  **MUST READ** AlanF's email to Knocking.org

  by sf in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a must-read that, hopefully, will stay an "active topic" for all seekers and lurkers, by bumping it to the top as often as possible.

  alan wrote it in randys {dogpatch} thread regarding knocking.org documentary and in reply to the email mr. engardio sent to barbara anderson.

  however, it is so vital a read that it indeed needs its own thread:.

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  Odrade! Haven't talked to you in ages. I'm great; how are you? Will you be around next week?
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  **MUST READ** AlanF's email to Knocking.org

  by sf in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a must-read that, hopefully, will stay an "active topic" for all seekers and lurkers, by bumping it to the top as often as possible.

  alan wrote it in randys {dogpatch} thread regarding knocking.org documentary and in reply to the email mr. engardio sent to barbara anderson.

  however, it is so vital a read that it indeed needs its own thread:.

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  Hi Kate! Did you know I'm going to be in Portland next week? I'll send you an email; hope we can get together. Oh--just wanted to note that Alan's master's degree isn't from MIT; his bachelor's degree is. He got his master's in Oregon. He's pretty smart, but he's also pretty cute and an awfully good husband. I'm a lucky gal.
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  **MUST READ** AlanF's email to Knocking.org

  by sf in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a must-read that, hopefully, will stay an "active topic" for all seekers and lurkers, by bumping it to the top as often as possible.

  alan wrote it in randys {dogpatch} thread regarding knocking.org documentary and in reply to the email mr. engardio sent to barbara anderson.

  however, it is so vital a read that it indeed needs its own thread:.

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  He *is* pretty wonderful, isn't he?
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  The Dynamics of online Apostaworld: the History

  by Bas in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been really interested in this myself for a while as the online apostacommunity has grown large over the last couple of years.. as most of you probably realize, the internet has been instrumental for apostates to hook up and make a virtual fist at the watchtower, the turbulent history the online apostacommunity might interest you alot.

  it interests me.. as i'm not someone that was here from the beginning, i'd really like to hear the stories of the oldtimers, the first apostates to hook up through the net, the stories from the first boards and sites that were apostate and the evolution of the apostacommunity after that.

  i'm asking people that have been involved since at least 2002 or before to share their stories and views and things that stirred their emotions.

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  Bas, Google has usenet news archives that you can search. I searched under Alan's name not too long ago and it was kind of fun to read some of the old usenet posts he wrote. I wish I'd saved all my email archives from the early philia days, but I didn't. Alan might have some of them around somewhere, but if you could see his office you'd understand why he might never be able to find them. For having such an organized mind, he sure does have a disorganized office! :-) Where are you from in Holland? I was in Utrecht a couple of months ago visiting a friend. My first visit; it's a beautiful country.
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  The Dynamics of online Apostaworld: the History

  by Bas in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been really interested in this myself for a while as the online apostacommunity has grown large over the last couple of years.. as most of you probably realize, the internet has been instrumental for apostates to hook up and make a virtual fist at the watchtower, the turbulent history the online apostacommunity might interest you alot.

  it interests me.. as i'm not someone that was here from the beginning, i'd really like to hear the stories of the oldtimers, the first apostates to hook up through the net, the stories from the first boards and sites that were apostate and the evolution of the apostacommunity after that.

  i'm asking people that have been involved since at least 2002 or before to share their stories and views and things that stirred their emotions.

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  Thanks, Alan. I couldn't remember all of those details. :-)
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  The Dynamics of online Apostaworld: the History

  by Bas in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been really interested in this myself for a while as the online apostacommunity has grown large over the last couple of years.. as most of you probably realize, the internet has been instrumental for apostates to hook up and make a virtual fist at the watchtower, the turbulent history the online apostacommunity might interest you alot.

  it interests me.. as i'm not someone that was here from the beginning, i'd really like to hear the stories of the oldtimers, the first apostates to hook up through the net, the stories from the first boards and sites that were apostate and the evolution of the apostacommunity after that.

  i'm asking people that have been involved since at least 2002 or before to share their stories and views and things that stirred their emotions.

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  jukief

  The first group of ex-JWs that I'm aware of got acquainted back in the early 90s on a Usenet Newsgroup called talk.religion.misc. A group of about eight or ten of us got friendly there and started emailing each other. We were soon cc'ing each and the cc list kept getting bigger, so a gal in the group set up a listserv for us. This became the philia mailing list. There were a dozen or so of us founding members. The group grew until it had hundreds of members. By then the original members were, for the most part, pretty disgusted with how the group had turned out (lots of infighting), so most of us left. But by then the Web was coming along and forums started popping up. I wish I could remember all the early members of philia. There was AlanF and me, my sister, the Norwegian contingent, some friends (from Scotland, Hong Kong, various parts of the US...) who no longer have much to do with the ex-JW community. Can anyone from the old days remember? Julie F