Unclepenn--
Truth is the answer. I don't know about you but I have yet to get the truth from a Christian regarding biblegod. I wonder if I could get the truth from a Muslim on Korangod.
What's your answer? Do tell.
Julie
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8Ya Gotta Love Richard Dawkins
by FrightMare inrichard: .
our leaders have described the recent atrocity with the customary cliche: mindless cowardice.
"mindless" may be a suitable word for the vandalising of a telephone box.
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A Texan and Totalitarianism
by GinnyTosken incongress is now reviving a proposal killed last year by senator phil gramm, the texas republican who was then chairman of the senate banking committee.
the bill, introduced by the clinton administration, would give the treasury secretary broad power to bar foreign countries and banks from access to the american financial market unless they cooperated with money-laundering investigations.
it was strongly opposed by the banking industry and mr. gramm.. "i was right then and i am right now" in opposing the bill, mr. gramm said yesterday.
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Hey Ginny--
:"I was right then and I am right now" in opposing the bill, Mr. Gramm said yesterday. He called the bill "totalitarian" and added, "The way to deal with terrorists is to hunt them down and kill them."
This guy is a moron plain and simple. We will all be so much better off without him.
Can't wait to see you and Rex at Promise Keepers!!
Julie
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Questions="dishonest baiting"?
by Julie inthree little scriptures that i feel reflect the opposite of all that christians claim biblegod to be.
i merely asked a hard-core defender of the faith to justify these as actions of an all-loving, enlightened supreme being.
here they are along with the "explanations" of them (in a nutshell):.
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Bridgette-
Yes, use "biblegod" freely. I got it from a fun poster on the old H2O named Axel. Really wish he's have made the migration.
Silverleaf--
Thanks.
Love to see more insights on the issue from everyone, take care all--
Julie, strong advocate of independent thinking
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Questions="dishonest baiting"?
by Julie inthree little scriptures that i feel reflect the opposite of all that christians claim biblegod to be.
i merely asked a hard-core defender of the faith to justify these as actions of an all-loving, enlightened supreme being.
here they are along with the "explanations" of them (in a nutshell):.
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Well hey there Rex--
:that have already been answered repeatedly,
This is an all out lie Rex. I was barely able to drag answers out of you once, you did however dodge the questions repeatedly.
:you contuinue to ignore the research done in written material because you don't like the answer.
Another lie Rex. I didn't ignore the answers that you found (that others wrote, indicating your inability to form your own thoughts/conclusions). I included them under the verses I had to badger you into addressing. I note you do not take issue with my summary of said answers.
:So why do you keep bringing it up, time after time?
It hurts, I know Rex. After dodging all that time and finally, to save face, you post "answers" for "the lurkers"--no doubt thinking you could finally be done with it and move on to more thunderous activity. I thought this post would serve to accomplish several things. One would be to again highlight just what exactly is in the bible and of course the lengths (or should I say depths) that Defenders of the Faith, such as yourself, have to go to to "explain" it all.
Lastly, this latest performance of dodging, finger pointing, baseless accusations and LYING that you have handed in is worthy of recap. It clearly demonstrates who really has to employ dishonesty in order to justify their views and it isn't those who don't believe in biblegod.
Julie
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Questions="dishonest baiting"?
by Julie inthree little scriptures that i feel reflect the opposite of all that christians claim biblegod to be.
i merely asked a hard-core defender of the faith to justify these as actions of an all-loving, enlightened supreme being.
here they are along with the "explanations" of them (in a nutshell):.
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:"i could never worship a god who needs to be praised all day"
---------some dead guyI can't help but wonder if a "quote" like this is to plant that subconcious seed of fear. As in when people think a god who demands constant worship is not worthy of worship will end up dead. Of course all those guys that wrote the bible are, hey wait a minute, they are all dead too. Funny how that works.
Julie
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Bush's speech -- I'll be the first to admit...
by Seeker in...it was an effective speech.
i was impressed, and thought it only fair to say so here given the recent political discussions.
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Hi Hawk--
Here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=12118&site=3
In the end everyone came to their senses, like in this thread on Bush's speech, but it got much uglier in the other thread.
Julie
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Bush's speech -- I'll be the first to admit...
by Seeker in...it was an effective speech.
i was impressed, and thought it only fair to say so here given the recent political discussions.
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Hey Seeker--
It pains me too but I must admit that Bush did a fine job last night. I think he said a lot of stuff that Americans needed to hear and I was so relieved we weren't subjected to (and representd by) the standard Deer-Caught-in-the-Headlights look he often employs at important times. That surely would have been disastrous.
I went through and saw all the attacks you endured in the Colin, Gore, Bush (whatever) thread and see here the criticism you faced for saying a word of praise for a President you aren't so fond of.
I for one appreciate your graciousness at enduring such and displaying your fine qualites (keeping a cool head, independent thinking based on facts etc). It was good to see your attacker(s) assume rational mindsets eventually. It's good to have a friend you can always learn from. That's what you are to me--
Take care old friend,
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Questions="dishonest baiting"?
by Julie inthree little scriptures that i feel reflect the opposite of all that christians claim biblegod to be.
i merely asked a hard-core defender of the faith to justify these as actions of an all-loving, enlightened supreme being.
here they are along with the "explanations" of them (in a nutshell):.
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Greetings to all--
Three little scriptures that I feel reflect the opposite of all that Christians claim biblegod to be. I merely asked a hard-core defender of the faith to justify these as actions of an all-loving, enlightened Supreme Being. Here they are along with the "explanations" of them (in a nutshell):
Daniel 6:24 What did the wives and children of Daniel's accusers do? Why were they slaughtered also? If that's mercy I will take heartlessness any day.
The closest we got was a guilt by association sort of thing. Sad.
2Kings 2:23,24 Is this how we treat children acting like children?
I thought the explanation of this story was very telling. See, it turns out this is not really as horrible and barbaric as it looks. They weren't really "children" but "young men". Also these "young men" had mocked another "young man" who spoke for God (so he claimed but hey, so does Shelby)--so they deserved to be ripped up by bears.
1Chronicles 21:14 70,000 people die by God's hand because David took a census. I fail to see the enlightenment here. Maybe someone as all-knowing as you can explain it to simple little me.
Well as it turns out David had done this census for "self-serving" purposes! Yes, it's true! He wanted to make himself look even more powerful than he was so he did this census and not all that accurately either! Surely then those 70,000 people had it coming!
Keep in mind what I went through to get these answers. Had to plow through and respond to yards of unrelated bible stories and their "justifications", received no answer until many days and posts later and then was answered with stuff other people had written. I was personally attacked often and then finally, after these "answers" were Reluctantly given, was informed this was just "dishonest baiting".
What it boils down to is this: there are countless tales of horror in the bible. Some of us just do not think they indicate an all-loving God, much less anyone displaying a shred of enlightenment. No matter how many pages of apologetics one posts the facts remain unchanged and the main one is that innocents are killed.Another fact is that biblegod is portrayed as very angy. Anger is obviously one of mankind's basest imperfections. How can a Supreme Being fall victim to imperfect man's base, unenlightened weaknesses so often?
The last issue I would like to draw attention to is this: How insecure is this Supreme Being? Why would an all-knowing, all-loving picture of enlightenment create a planet and fill it up with people whose sole purpose on Earth is to worship him? Does this not indicate a highly disturbed severe case of narcissism?
I don't understand why it is Christians who tend to think they are so righteous and wise in their beliefs and so critical of those of us who cannot reconcile love with slaughter.
Wondering if there are an honest Christians--
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Doing Julie's research for her
by Rex B13 infrom my friend's site:.
i understand this certainly identified him as a prophet to the people in that area, but it does, at least to me, seem cruel given the harmless taunt.. "how can i believe in a god who would send bears to devour little children for innocently teasing an old man whose appearance probably was unusual even for that day" (hsobx) .
first, the passage itself: .
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Nice justification Rex. They weren't really *that* young, after all so it's ok. It was merely a demonstration of what God does to those who do not worship him and subject themselves to any lunatic "speaking" for him. (Are bears going to get me for dismissing Shelby's delusions Rex?)
I found this to be very tellilng:
:serve as both an awful sentence on unbelievers....
Is this what keeps you "in-line" Rex, fear of what would happen you you didn't Approve of this disgraceful behavior? You expect me to consider such a vain and vengeful being worthy of worship? "Could a devil do worse" or be less enlightened? I don't think so.
Worship all you want, I think biblegod is much like Hitler and the Taliban, among other hateful psychotics. Sorry--all that self-righteous thunder for nothing.
I noticed too that you are unable to put any explanations in your own words. Still letting others do the thinking/explaining for you eh WW? Funny of you to accuse me of what you are guilty of, but that is generally how it works.
I pity you your dark, wretched, little world. Poor soul. You can call such a being a god of love and believe it--forgive me I prefer reality.
Julie
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No apolgies for God's judgements
by Rex B13 inhere's another answer for you, julie, i again do your research for you!.
>1chronicles 21:14 70,000 people die by god's hand because david to a census.
i fail to see the enlightenment here.
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Poor Rex, he is pinned down for an answer and so lashes out. What a Christian example you are Rex.
So basically you admit that God killed 70,000 people but it's OK. The reason David took the census were self-serving reasons. Why of course! How stupid of me! How could I not have realized it is ok to commit atrocities that make last week's attack on America look like a trivial matter. This being is still worthy of worship cause he loves us.
I've been thinking about bible-apologists like you Rex. It seems to me you all are bent on justifying God's anger in order to convince people these wholesale slaughters are OK. It makes me wonder about a Supreme Being that is so suseptible to anger. Isn't that one of man's basest weaknesses? All this hateful-activity justification simply convinces me that indeed this biblegod is not in the least bit worthy of worship.
Of course you skipped over the other two scriptures I posted. I have not yet read the other post you have up where you are trying to make me look like a moron and draw attention from the fact you have avoided answering my simple questions all along. You simply resent that I press you on it and I can understand your embarrassment, Rex, really. Hard to be convincingly thunderous when you can't explain away biblegod's blatent barbarism, isn't it? I guess though you still consider it easier than an honest look at the facts. I'll take your insight and wisdom on these other two if they aren't addressed in your other post.
:Daniel 6:24 What did the wives and children of Daniel's accusers do? Why were they slaughtered also? If that's mercy I will take heartlessness any day.
2Kings 2:23,24 Is this how we treat children acting like children?
Make all the noise you want about me Rex, you make the assertion the bible is God's word, you should be willing to back it up. I merely hold you to such a standard. One, sadly, you cannot meet.
Julie