:JanH also likes to twist the words and meanings of what people say around which is typical of an abuser and controller.
KSJordan, care to provide any examples of this baseless accusation? I'd be interested in seeing such.
Julie
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75Marry Christmas Jan-evolution goes down in flames
by clash_city_rockers indarwin on trial is the title of a book on evolution that has ruffled the feathers of the secular scientific community.
though a christian, author philip johnson critiques evolutionary theory from a secular standpoint as he examines the philosophical games many scientists play to protect their evolutionary ideology.
johnson, a law professor at the university of california at berkeley, attacks head-on the often-heard statement that evolution is both a fact and a theory, an evolutionary dogma that has been a major source of confusion for a long time.
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Sorry if I was rude
by kevin221 insorry to everyone if i was rude in chat or in posting tonight, excepct for that poster "no censorship" who should be shot on sight.
my dad passed away today and i am oh so tired of people dying on me this year.
i don't say this to make an excuse, i just wanted you all to know.
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Oh Friday, sour grapes or what? I read your thread you posted here and you blather on and on and ON about this whole bridegroom business and buckets of other stuff these poor folks suffered through years of! You liken that to a brief yet powerful message of My Dad Died??? Pathetic. No wonder no one here has any respect for you.
Kevin,
I am very sorry to hear about your dad. I have been there. My mailbox is always open though I can't imagine you'd just write me out of the blue. Wish I could hang out with you and talk with you, laugh about funny dad memories and cry about the sad ones, including the loss.
My sincere condolences to you,
Julie, who would like to remind Kevin that the only good thing about hitting bottom is there's only one way left to go...better days on the way -
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Jesus Christ, King of the Pedophiles
by messenger indue to the proliferation of newbies wishing to call us home to christ or whatever other movement they deem appropiate it might be good to review the following to balance the extreme perspecitves a bit... .
jesus christ, king of the pedophiles.
jesus christ (wld) .
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Wow Messenger!!
That's quite a viewpoint. You make some good points in your argument. Certainly food for thought and an FYI for all of you out there who run screaming from such a thought, homosexuality was common practice among priests, monks etc. in medieval times. You'd be surprised at the "Great Men" that are highly suspect too, William Rufus, Richard the Lionheart to name just two.
Penn, considering your unwillingness to answer thorny questions I wouldn't be throwing that word "integrity" around if I were you. "Who me???" you ask? Indeed yes. I am still waiting for your answer to the question: If God's people were out there commiting holy genocide and all that, they undoubtedly slaughtered many a pregnant woman. (The only time I saw in the bible women were considered worth sparing is if they were virgins) Would not God-ordered slaughter of pregnant women make God himself an accomplished abortionist? Do you remember that question Penn? You ignored it nicely in e-mail, wonder if you'll even attempt it here. Doubt it Mr. Integrity.
Waiting, While rectories have probably served their purpose (that which you correctly refer to) it's probably the Sacristy which has seen the most action. Don't even know if I spelled it right but as a former Cat-lick, I know that's the secret place behind the alter where they "get ready" (don vestments etc) for mass etc. Now *there* is the perfect place. No good Catholic would *ever* wandered back to such a "holy" place uninvited!
A Happy Winter Soltice to you all!
Julie
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Let me help you
by JWMAN incalling all lost sheep!
it is not too late.
i have been an observer of this site for some time now.
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While I don't need any help understanding the printing corporation known as the WT I do need help understanding the "all loving" God that is in reality a homicidal maniac in the bible. If you can somehow reconcile those things you can help me "back to the fold of God". Otherwise nevermind.
Julie
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Whitewater=Enron???
by Julie insince we have so many right-leaning politically speaking posters, i was wondering what comments they might be willing to offer up on this column i caught this morning.. http://www.observer.com/pages/conason.asp.
i am sure most of those who are quick to criticize anything that even remotely relates to clinton are all whitewater experts by now.
i would enjoy reading what thoughts you may have on the parallels and even how enron makes whitewater look like a trip to the penny candy store.. hoping some conservative can help me feel less screwed by my republican administration,.
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I find it interesting too sf, that so much of our admin represents corporate America. So much for a goverment for the people, by the people etc.
Guess we'll have to soon revise that to read for the special interests, by the special interests, etc.
Thanks for the clip and the link, interesting stuff.
Julie
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Whitewater=Enron???
by Julie insince we have so many right-leaning politically speaking posters, i was wondering what comments they might be willing to offer up on this column i caught this morning.. http://www.observer.com/pages/conason.asp.
i am sure most of those who are quick to criticize anything that even remotely relates to clinton are all whitewater experts by now.
i would enjoy reading what thoughts you may have on the parallels and even how enron makes whitewater look like a trip to the penny candy store.. hoping some conservative can help me feel less screwed by my republican administration,.
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I think the main jist of my original post was missed. It was more to highlight the double-standard we are being subjected to, not to mention the complete apathy in the nation regarding these matters. Unless we all wake up and soon, we will all be very sorry. As good ol' Bob Dole once said "What Joe-six pack doesn't know won't hurt him" as he was re-writing the tax code (See Senator for Sale for reference on this and many more VERY interesting quotes).
Again, I thank all for your thoughtful replies, much to the surprise of many I am not a member of either party, agree with some conservative issues, more Democratic ones but it is the moderates I find myself in agreement with most (those of both parties). Just wishing we could all play fair. I know, I know, nothing's far in love, politics and war. Thanks for indulging my over-active (by American standards) sense of justice/injustice.
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Whitewater=Enron???
by Julie insince we have so many right-leaning politically speaking posters, i was wondering what comments they might be willing to offer up on this column i caught this morning.. http://www.observer.com/pages/conason.asp.
i am sure most of those who are quick to criticize anything that even remotely relates to clinton are all whitewater experts by now.
i would enjoy reading what thoughts you may have on the parallels and even how enron makes whitewater look like a trip to the penny candy store.. hoping some conservative can help me feel less screwed by my republican administration,.
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Thank you all for your comments, and no Amazing, I am not looking to gloat. If I recall there were plenty of Democrats looking to distance themselves from Clinton too. I mean after all he did get a blow-job in the oval office and we spent what? $100 million to prove it? Well it's neither here nor there. (BTW, nothing compared to what went on in there during Nixon's years but I digress)
As to your claim about Republicans being willing to seperate on issues, I gotta tell you, I can't help but recall that footage of that Icon to Repulicans, Reagan, standing there saying re: Iran/Contra "Well, I didn't *think* I was guilty but the facts say otherwise so...." LOL That was such a classic. I can't believe everyone thought define "is" topped that. But then again we Americans have such short memories. Bet his handlers were DAMN glad that term was about over! Whew! Lord knows they earned their pay.
Ah well, we will never know what really happens because the Republicans will circle the wagons and the Democrats are not united enough to take out their own Contract On America to hammer away in the press all of these things this admin is doing that make Clinton's look like amatuers.
Oh, and for the record, I am not against business in any way. I am against business having too much power in Washington and getting too much of our hard-earned tax dollars. I guess that's just me though.....
Take care all and a happy winter solstice to you,
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Lady Lee's story
by Lady Lee inborn in toronto, canada in 1952, i lived with my parents and three younger brothers until i was ten years old.
there was a lot of violence in our home.
my father was an abusive, rageful man who took out all his frustrations on his family.
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Commendable Lady Lee,
It's gals like you that can give others the courage and encouragement to overcome obstacles. You are to be applauded for your accomplishments. I can relate to some of your experience and I will admit, it ain't easy sister!
Glad you made it. I think this board will bnefit greatly from your insights.
Warm regards,
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Whitewater=Enron???
by Julie insince we have so many right-leaning politically speaking posters, i was wondering what comments they might be willing to offer up on this column i caught this morning.. http://www.observer.com/pages/conason.asp.
i am sure most of those who are quick to criticize anything that even remotely relates to clinton are all whitewater experts by now.
i would enjoy reading what thoughts you may have on the parallels and even how enron makes whitewater look like a trip to the penny candy store.. hoping some conservative can help me feel less screwed by my republican administration,.
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lol Closer, good one.
Really what I am getting at though is the heated debates we have been subjected to here, all those righties lining up throwing eggs at Clinton and gloating cause this "war on terror" has been GW's debutant ball and all. Well let's put the war aside and talk domestics shall we?
What do all you Bush and/or Republican supporters have to say about this Enron mess and the nasty implications about some in this administration? Seems you all go quiet if we aren't talking terrorism or Clinton. Or perhaps Rush hasn't yet covered this particular debacle so those who get their info there cannot yet comment?
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by Julie insince we have so many right-leaning politically speaking posters, i was wondering what comments they might be willing to offer up on this column i caught this morning.. http://www.observer.com/pages/conason.asp.
i am sure most of those who are quick to criticize anything that even remotely relates to clinton are all whitewater experts by now.
i would enjoy reading what thoughts you may have on the parallels and even how enron makes whitewater look like a trip to the penny candy store.. hoping some conservative can help me feel less screwed by my republican administration,.
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Here's the article:
Whitewater Critics Quiet About Enron
by Joe ConasonWhile the implosion of Enron is almost as murky as the bankrupt company’s financing schemes, its self-dealing and scamming have evoked memories of other great business scandals, such as Teapot Dome and the South Sea Bubble. Whether or not those analogies ever prove to be justified, the most compelling political comparison for the moment is with another scandal that turned out, despite the investigative zeal of journalists, pols and prosecutors, to be more squib than bombshell: Whitewater.
Consider the stated purposes of the long, costly probe into that tiny, troubled land deal, as expressed in the final report of the Senate’s Special Committee to Investigate the Whitewater Development Corporation and Related Matters (Alfonse M. D’Amato, chairman). According to the report’s preface, its mission was to investigate "the complex web of intermingled funds, fraudulent transactions, political favors and conflicted relationships," all of them "woven together by common and recurring themes of abuse of power, fraud on federal institutions and theft of public funds, and frequent neglect, if not deliberate disregard, of professional, ethical, and at times, legal standards," including "clearly identifiable patterns of motivation, conduct and, at times, concealment."
If those damning phrases sound familiar, then perhaps you’ve been reading some of the better coverage of Enron in periodicals like Fortune, which concluded that even if no one ever goes to jail, "it feels as though a crime has been committed."
That question will be decided by the courts, which must determine whether Enron was sunk by "fraudulent transactions" as well as more mundane abuses of corporate authority. But there is no question that Enron’s corporate history is laden with "political favors" and "conflicted relationships" with leading figures in the White House, regulatory agencies and the Senate itself.
Those relationships extend well beyond the $2 million bestowed on the President and other politicians by Enron executives, or the substantial blocks of stock held by Bush appointees, or the formidable cadre of connected lobbyists, consultants and officials that make the White House resemble an Enron branch office.
One place to start untangling the Enron tale might be the moment in early 1993 when Bush appointees on the Commodity Futures Trading Commission voted to exempt energy traders from its anti-fraud regulations. The commissioner who initiated that convenient rule-making process, following a post-election request from Enron and several similar companies, was Wendy Gramm, wife of the Texas Senator. She left the CFTC just before the actual vote and, five weeks later, joined the Enron board of directors. This was merely a coincidence, as she and her benefactors in Houston later explained.
Coincidence or not, that decision pulled open the "regulatory black hole" in which Enron thrived and connived. It also represented the beginning of an unwholesome pattern that culminated earlier this year, when Enron’s generosity to the Bush-Cheney campaign evidently won its executives the right to choose their own regulators in Washington. (Meanwhile, those same strutting geniuses were unloading their watered-down stock into the pension portfolios of their unfortunate employees.)
The immediate justification for the Senate probe of Whitewater was that Madison Guaranty, the storefront savings-and-loan operated by small-time hustler James McDougal, had cost the government about $65 million in bailout funding. Setting that pitiful amount against the $60 billion or so that suddenly evaporated from Enron’s market capitalization–as Gene Lyons and Molly Ivins have noted–offers a way to chart the difference in magnitude. Yet so far, thanks to the "war on terrorism" and perhaps other, less patriotic factors, the level of public indignation is inverted; Enron seems to generate about one-tenth of 1 percent as much concern as Whitewater did.
The Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission are examining Enron, of course, and various committees of Congress are also looking into the matter. Their approach, however, is strangely desultory and deferential. Enron founder and chief executive Kenneth Lay blew off an invitation to appear before a House committee the other day, prompting an audible yawn from the same media outfits that screamed incessantly about "the Whitewater scandal" year after year. Those excitable editorialists at The Wall Street Journal have dismissed Enron’s problems as an example of "bad accounting."
Imagine the outcry if, instead of providing a million pages of documents to the Senate Whitewater Committee, the Clinton White House had withheld all relevant papers. That is precisely what Vice President Dick Cheney has done to date, in response to requests from the House Government Reform Committee about private meetings that he and his energy task force held with Enron executives.
And imagine what Mr. Lay might have said to Mr. Cheney and Larry Lindsey, the former Enron consultant who now serves as the President’s chief economic advisor, during those secret sessions.
You’ll have to imagine, at least for now, because the Vice President and his cronies aren’t talking–and because nobody in the media is even asking.
---------------------------------------------------------Where are all those who were so Outraged over Whitewater??? Apparently not here. How sad.
Julie