Posts by Gerard

seattle, jan. 13 (ascribe newswire) -- in its 4.5 billion years, earth has evolved from its hot, violent birth to the celebrated watery blue planet that stands out in pictures from space.

Gerard

The'll just have to measure other chambers of the Great Pyramids and multuply that by 50 or 643 or 1342 whatever is more misleading.

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Raelians claim birth of second cloned baby

by Gerard in

raelians claim birth of second cloned baby:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/comp/articleshow?artid=33437071

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/articlenews/pestory/tgam/20030114/coscience/science/science/science_temp/2/2/4 /'perpetual "perpetual orgasms through cloning":

Gerard

Raelians claim birth of second cloned baby:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/comp/articleshow?artid=33437071

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20030114/COSCIENCE/Science/science/science_temp/2/2/4/'Perpetual "Perpetual orgasms through cloning":

http://www.rickross.com/reference/raelians/raelians48.html

Edited by - Gerard on 14 January 2003 11:11:59

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Question for SwordOfJah and other real JWs

by Realist in

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i have a request.. could you perhaps state all the real facts that support the idea of the gb being inspired by god?.

i am not talking about feelings, faith etc.

but of real proveable fact...things that would be accepted in a court or that would survive scientific testing.

Gerard

[blood transfussions & associating with disfellowshipped ones] are not suggestions made by the GB. Those doctrines are based on Bible scripture. >>>SwordofJah

The blood tranfusion policy policiy you say is "Based" on Bible scriptures is not so, it is a distortion of the scriptures taken out of context. I agree a blood transfusion will not cure a lethal condition, but it can certainly save JWs from hypobolemic shock and acute anemia cased from bleeding and other conditions including blood loss from complicated child birth. I repeat my question: Why is it that the WT is the only entity in Christian history that interprets the scriptures as such? You know very well the teaching is in its interpretation. Christian love would not interpret the scriptures in a way to cause death to glorify an organization instead of celebrating and protecting life.

>>>Can you learn alot about the bible by comparing different interpretations of passages? Can you learn alot about the bible by reading it yourself?
Yes and yes. If you are implying that as JWs we don't use that, you wrong. Even our publications encourage us to study the Bible itself. Some members of this forum have suggested that I read the Bible without the help of Watchtower publications. But why should I listen to them, they don't care about my well-being, all they care to see is if another JW will lose faith. >>>SwordofJah

You know you will lose faith in the WT if you read the Bible and see for yourself the context in which key passages were written! Your well being will be OK if you perceive the true meaning of the Bible not the WT's. I do not want you to lose faith in God but open your eyes to the distorted interpretations and rather radical perspectives and bizarre profetic speculations the WT teaches you.

You say "Anyone who prays will have God's blessings". Of course, you will agree that he will listen only if the prayer is from the heart and if the person recognizes who he really is. >>>SwordofJah

Then why be part of an organization that pretends that their Bible interpretation is the only valid way to reach salvation and cultivates phobias in their members so not to DA themselves? God's authority and love is bigger than any bible-study organization.

>>then the people who have died from lack of tissue transplants and blood tranfusions could have been in vain?

I don't believe this to be so. Many died because they had mortal decease. Could have a blood transfusion been able to help them survive another hour, day, week, year? >>>SwordofJah

Do I have to review with you the basic ideas of LOVE and HELP? I believe they are at the root of Christianism. Otherwise healthy JWs dying for lack of blood transfusions glorifies an institution, never Jehovah. Think about it. What do you think relatives felt when they let die family and children and he next day the WT anounced that tissue transplants were OK after all!? It happened! And they jut called it "new light".

>>>Why not let criminal system punish pedophiles instead of sheltering them?
I don't believe the organization shelters pedophiles. It's not like I hide them in the closet while the police is looking for them. >>>SwordofJah

No the WT does not hide them in closets. They hide their identities in files. Look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself if this is OK.

Well that's [two witness rule] not a problem with the organization, that's a problem with Jehovah's law. I don't mess with that. I follow Jehovah God and as my creator I believe he knows best how to handle situations here on Earth. >>>SwordofJah

Sexual predators don't perform in front of two adult witnesses. If you were sexualy abused as a child your opinion would change very-very fast. Believe me.

The thing here is who is doing God's will. You or I. I can only answer for myself, and I believe that as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, preaching the good news of the Kingdom of Christ, I am doing Jehovah's will. All other injustices, I leave up to him. >>>SwordofJah

Allow rape, allow family to die without help while not assuming any responsibility for action/omision. Valiant. What a man. What a cult! What a lack of love! What a lack of understanding of the Bible. Maybe if you read it by yourself...the truth will not harm your well being, It will liberate you.

Gerry

Edited by - Gerard on 13 January 2003 20:32:50

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"JW's..Courageous in the Face of Nazi Peri...

by MacHislopp in

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thanks to our german friend, we have received this article :

july 8, 1998. appeared in awake!

july 8, 1998. appeared in awake !

Gerard

It is also in the WT web site:

http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/1998/7/8/article_01.htm

The courageous Christian stand of Jehovah's Witnesses in Germany and other lands dominated by Adolf Hitler is a matter of record. A notable event in Berlin, Germany, in 1933 illustrates their courage, their love for God and neighbor, and their respect for law, order, and religious freedom.

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Question for SwordOfJah and other real JWs

by Realist in

jw
friends

i have a request.. could you perhaps state all the real facts that support the idea of the gb being inspired by god?.

i am not talking about feelings, faith etc.

but of real proveable fact...things that would be accepted in a court or that would survive scientific testing.

Gerard

In a Watchtower article it is written: " The committees of the Governing Body hold weekly meetings to review important matters, make decisions after prayerful considerations, and plan for future theocratic activity." After prayerful considerations, Jehovah does not inspire them to talk. When holy spirit is involved he will bless them on their research but will not give them word-for-word explanations .

I'm glad you recognize that the GB is not a direct channel to Jehovah God. Anyone who prays will have God's blessings, regardles on your membership to a relatively new organization.

But tell us, if Jehovah does not provide them with "word-for-word explanations", then the people who have died from lack of tissue transplants and blood tranfusions could have been in vain? Just think about it: How can the WT contrive such an unloving policy, a policy only the WT finds and misrepresents from the Bible?

Why not let criminal system punish pedophiles instead of sheltering them? I refuse to believe that such inhumane belief is a product of "prayerful considerations". If anything, most of your policies -shunning included - are unconsiderate to the real meaning of Christianity.

Since you are not directly guided by Jehovah, could the WT's rules and limitations be the product of a faulted human organization derived from from mistaken premises and interpretations? Is not it time to take responsibility for the mistakes from the past and present? Please think about it for a moment.

Gerry

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Latest Watchtower PRAISES United Nations Relief

by minimus in

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the feb. 15, 2003 wt.

has an article entitled, life in a refugee camp.

the whole article praises the unhcr, which is the united nations high commissioner of refugees.

Gerard

I may well become to be like in G. Orwell's books: "We were never against the UN, any document saying the contrary is apostate -even Satanic- material meant to damage the image of God's only channel on Earth."

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CBC's Fifth Estate has struck before ... see this!

by reporter in

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also, watch the video clip which is embedded on this page...it's priceless... .

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Gerard

Told ya...The Fifth Estate likes kikin' hypocrites' butt!

I'm buying popcorn and kick back to watch their next report on the WT.

Gerry

Edited by - Gerard on 13 January 2003 13:6:9

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Family says police killed dog for no reason

by Yizuman in

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not a jw story, but nonetheless it made me sick when this came out this week.. yizuman.

Gerard

Saw the video. The dog approached the cop while wagging his tail...then the cop went on TV and said "it looked as a pitbull coming right at him". He did not even apologize!

"I yelled at the dog to get back, but it attempted to circle me to attack, so I felt that I had no option but to protect myself,"

He may have the right to be careful while arresting suspects but I don't like "trigger-happy" cops.

Edited by - Gerard on 13 January 2003 12:8:33