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Eyewitness Details of the Ritzville trial by Ros

by Had Enough in

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if i understand it, the defendant had been asked the question (words to this effect): "if you were asked in court whether you are guilty or innocent, what would be your answer?

trial including why the verdict was thrown out--if i understand it.

then erica's mother was called, and.

jurs

Had Eneough,

Thank you for the details. Even though the outcome was great (guilty on 4 counts) I can't imagine how difficult it must have been for the victim and family and friends to hear this man deny it. It made my blood pressure go up !!!
It seems to me like he had every advantage but the jury could see through it all.
I'm glad Erica had you guys there for support.

Dana,
I know a little bit about what happened to you through reading posts. My heart breaks that you didn't have the support from those that should have given it to you. No one can replace the comfort that a mother gives a child (even an adult child) and you didn't have that. Thank God you have your sister.
Hugs to you . I'm sure Erica's story has touched you deeply.
jurs

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A voice.....

by ReverendRoy in

as some of you may have noticed i always include this quote with my signature - "why is it when we talk to god we're praying - but when god talks to us, we're schizophrenic?".

i am poking some fun at this concept basically.

however, a few years ago, driving in my car on the way to work, i heard a very clear, audible voice that was not mine.

jurs

Roy,

Hi! I have never had that kind of experience. I'm also the skeptical sort. There must be some reasonable explanation. Perhaps you were tired or under alot of stress. Stress can cause strange symptoms.

jurs

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Thanks for the support love, Erica

by angel in

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i am erica garza rodriguez.

i wanted to write and thank all of you for your interest and support during this long pursuit of justice.. to those wonderful friends who were able to travel to ritzville for the trial, my heart overflows with humble gratitude.. bill bowen (and wife sheila, behind the scene).

b (you know who you are), pat, chris, richard and wife, gsark, baharama and sister, maximus, were you there?

jurs

Erica,

I'm so glad you posted. I am happy that Manuel Beliz is behind bars !!!
You've been through so much. I hope it helps knowing that we all care.
Hugs to you !!
Laura

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I'm back

by sennabrasil94 in

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well i've been away for a while, lot of stuff to sort out in my life.

so anyway i've been takeing the info from this site and all the other apostate related sites (ha ha) and haveing some debates with my family, they don't know anything i'm talking about and realy got the brain washed replys youd expect.

and to prove a point, i'm now deceptively after 14 years in exile studing with an elder....to challenge him, and unknown to him i want some satisfaction for what they did to me.

jurs

Gsark,

I just read your post. You said you had family in and you wouldn't want to support or want done what senna is planning to do . WHY ??? I'd be happy. Think about it. If Senna has questions that the elder cant answer with scripture or scriptures that aren't in harmony with JW teaching it might one day help that elder get out of a CULT.
It seems to me like Senna has been mistreated and wants to give them Hell. I understand that. When I realized I had lost 10 years of my life I was totally angry. I had my meeting with the elders and it felt GOOD to tell them that I felt like I had been brainwashed. I fired away with my apostate literature and one elder in particular had his feelings hurt when I accuse the elders as being like Pharisees.
I guess I don't understand your desire to protect a JW from scriptures or points to use to show them that they are wrong and what they are doing is not pleasing to God.
I think your over reacting. Senna is not slashing their tires or being threatning for goodness sake , he asked for scriptures. I am happy to offer what I can .

jurs

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I'm back

by sennabrasil94 in

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well i've been away for a while, lot of stuff to sort out in my life.

so anyway i've been takeing the info from this site and all the other apostate related sites (ha ha) and haveing some debates with my family, they don't know anything i'm talking about and realy got the brain washed replys youd expect.

and to prove a point, i'm now deceptively after 14 years in exile studing with an elder....to challenge him, and unknown to him i want some satisfaction for what they did to me.

jurs

Hi Senna ,
JW's in their representations of Jesus show 1 nail in both his hands. Read John 20 :25 clearly is plural - nails. there is archaeological evidence to support cross. I found this at www.dreamwater.com/spotlight/cross.htm
I'd also have these 2 scriptures memorized 1 Thessalonians5:21 and Rev 2:2. If they get suspicious that they might be going over apostate literature that you read.
Good Luck
jurs

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I'm back

by sennabrasil94 in

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well i've been away for a while, lot of stuff to sort out in my life.

so anyway i've been takeing the info from this site and all the other apostate related sites (ha ha) and haveing some debates with my family, they don't know anything i'm talking about and realy got the brain washed replys youd expect.

and to prove a point, i'm now deceptively after 14 years in exile studing with an elder....to challenge him, and unknown to him i want some satisfaction for what they did to me.

jurs

Hi Senna,

I was not and am still not a quick to find a scripure sort of gal, but here is my advice to you. You don't need to be!!! Just simply use your watchtower training.
For example, Remember when you went door to door. You were suppose to read the articles, have a couple of scriptures in mind to support your argument, and keep the conversation to one topic (don't jump from subject to subject). If the elder doesn't use a scripture to support his point of view and he uses an illustration instead, Tell him that your really just interested in Jehovah's point of view and you'd like to have all answers come from the bible.
Some ideas of topics that might be safe to start off with might be the cross. I read some very interesting information reguarding this on a web site. I'll research it again and post it for ya. There were scriptures to support that it wasn't a stake but a cross.
Oh yeah, stick to points where you can use scripture to support your view.
Ask about beards and ask the elder to show you from the bible why brothers with responsibilities are not allowed to wear them.
Ask On what are these teachings based ? (2Tim 3:16 and Mark 7:7)
By the way I just used the reasoning from the scriptures and used the orgs own reasoning and scriptures only to support a different topic.
The elder ( I am only guessing how I'd study with you ) probably will come to your home with a topic and scriptures in mind. You need to take control of the conversation and keep the subject to your topic.
It might be helpful to go over your reasoning book topics for example Why the JW's are the only true religion. He'll likely bring up that JW's don't fight in wars and have the identifing mark of love. or that they are the only ones going door to door. All witnesses seem to bring this up when they can't answer a question. Be prepared with a comment to those statements because they will come.
I'll go look up those scripures about the cross. I'll post ya later
jurs

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Holidays: Do you celebrate?

by Vitameatavegamin in

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i smell something burning; oh, just me thinking again!!.

anyway, one thing i always missed were the holidays-christmas especially.

i know that this is an unproven celebration to say the least, but i have always loved the warmth and beauty of this holiday, although very commercialized in this day and age.

jurs

Hello Vita,

I too was going to bring up the scripture in colossians2:16. I haven't celebrated christmas or birthdays ect. yet because I only left the org in May , but I am going to !!!!
I am especially looking forward to Christmas. While I was still in I use to tell people that I didn't miss it at all. I was sincere, but as soon as I realized the truth about the truth, I've been eager to celebrate. I guess I never realized how much I missed it.
My kids have never celebrated and they are so excited. I want to make it up to them. I don't care if its materialized or not. My kids are going to have a mountain of presents. In fact I've already started my X-mas shopping ( I love to shop ) Ho! Ho! Ho!
Jurs

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What are the most stupid JW rule?

by beroea in

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what are the most stupid jw rule?.

what do you consider to be the most stupid rules or tradition of the jw lives?

im thinking about any kind of rule or regulative that only has one answer to the questions why:.

jurs

I didn't care for having to wear a dress and the rule about kids not playing sports. also I had a problem with the unspoken rules or rather the things that were discouraged, for example I knew a witness family who didn't Encourage their children to read anything except what the society provides.. Now thats a stupid rule
jurs

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Anyone else notice the milestone? Thanks Simon...

by individuals wife in

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anyone notice the milestone tonight - we've just passed the amazing total of 100,000 posts on this board!!!!

thought we all needed a pat on the back and three cheers for all our effort!!!.

what a lot we've got to say!!

jurs

Simon,

I also wanted to thank you for hving this site. Its been helpful beyond words. I have my life back !!!!!
Thanks
Jurs

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What was your biggest pet peeve ?

by jurs in

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my biggest pet peeve was the " instant friends " theory.

i went to 3 different halls.

we moved around colorado.

jurs

My biggest pet peeve was the " instant friends " theory. I went to 3 different halls. We moved around Colorado. When I was studying the sister I studied with told me how when your a witness you have instant friends where ever you go. How come I was sooooo LONELY when I was a witness? I had to give up my old old friends because they were bad association and there wasn't much to replace it with.
Jurs