Posts by justhuman

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Do you think the Society has spies on sites like this?

by easyreader1970 in

jw
friends

not that any of them would post, but do you think that they have people who they secretly have visit anti-jw sites and forums like this just for the purpose of seeing what people are saying about them and what their current members might stumble upon?.

if you google jws, the first couple are official, the next two are wikis, then you have an anti-jw site and then there's this one.

any current or potential member that is looking for more information than is published by the wbts will be directed to these sites.

justhuman

Defenetely they have spies..in fact I know that for the Greek ex-JW webside they have a Bethelite that is appointed for this reason. He is spying and records the Famous Greek Apostates.

WT indeed sued the Canadian webside watchtowerquotes.ca because they have "confusing" for the readers articles regarding WT. And the web side was only quoting from the WT magazines(Not a good idea to have all the bullshits that Russell, and Booze Jo have said)

It is not I think questions, it is how many spies they have on the major Worldwide apostatic websides

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Apostolic Succession ?

by a Christian in

james c,.

you wrote: the belief of apostolic succession is not a distinctly roman one.

the orthodox as well as the anglicans hold to it.

justhuman

Below I'm attaching interesting links about Apostolic Succesion. In the Christian Orthodox Church you can find the Apostolic succesion fro 2000 years, starting from James the first Bishop of Jerusalim. This is one of the major issues I started to investicate when I left WT.

There are many aspects that show to us that the Apostolic Church is still the same for over 2000 years. A brief look at history show the following facts

1.The Apsotolic Chruch (East part -Constantinoupole and West Part- Rome) was united until 1080 A.D when the Catholics(Papal Church) seperated from the East Church(Orthodox). The main issue was actually political games by the Franks, and took as an excuse the Filioque Issue.

2.While the Holy Catholic Apostolic Church-That is the name of the Orthodox Church, remain to the original teachings of the Apostoles and the succesors, the Roman Catholics have fallen to more theological mistakes,(Pope, Purgatory)and they stoped being in union with the Apostolic Church creating a schisma

3.The language was another problem. The transtation from Greek to Latin created those theological problems, because some words cannot give the precise translation, and as a result they fallen to more mistakes

4.Luther instead of going back to the Apostolic Church and search for the original teachings, he broke from the Roman Catholics and form Protestands. As a result the Protestand movement had fallen into more serious mistakes regarding the Theological interpretation of the Christian Faith. That is why we find so many thousands Protestand movemens, and one of them the Watchtower.

5. While the Protestands accept only the Bible, as God's words, they ignore the fact that the Bible came out from the Apostolic Church, set by Saint Athanasios in the 4th century by accepting Revelation as the last Book of the Biblical Canon. and for the Christian Orthodox the Bible is one of God's revelation regarding the Gospel. We have many writtings from the Early Church Fathers, early Bishops like Ignatios the succesor of James in Jerusalim. The wealth of those writtings is incredible.

http://www.oodegr.com/english/ekklisia/profites1.htm

http://www.oodegr.com/english/ekklisia/apostasia2.htm

http://www.oodegr.com/english/ag_grafi/kanonas0.htm

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Photographs of old witness friends and Witness events. Do what with them?

by Thechickennest in

my family just took a stroll down witness lane this month as we searched for photographs that our graduating high school daughter needed for her display at her graduation party.

we have an immense file of photos of a previous life with the jw's.

in a way its a history of a former life.

justhuman

Keep them as memory. Never dispose pictures...my grand father was photographer and this is was one of the rules he had...

I keep my pictures of baptizm, talks, dramas at the conventions. It is memory, even though I left WT. Besides we all had a life there

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19th OF MAY-THE GENOCIDE OF THE GREEK POPULATION IN TURKEY

by justhuman in

that was planned by the so called "father"of the turkish nation kemal attaturk ( a massive killer actually that wiped greeks and armenians).

the american consulate george horton in his book "the plaque of minor asia" he wrote after leaving smerni, a town that greeks were living for 3000 years.

the turks entered and killed thousands of people, burn the city, raped, destroyed, and expressed their barbarian insticts.

justhuman

Between the years 1914-1923 the Othoman Turks killed over 353.000 Greeks in Minor Asia. that was planned by the so called "father"of the Turkish Nation Kemal Attaturk ( a massive killer actually that wiped Greeks and Armenians)

The American Consulate George Horton in his book "The plaque of Minor Asia" he wrote after leaving Smerni, a town that Greeks were living for 3000 years. The Turks entered and killed thousands of people, burn the city, raped, destroyed, and expressed their barbarian insticts. He said "I was feeling shame because I was belonging to the human race"... The eye witness like Protestand preacher King Bridge, British politician Chris Woodhouse, are some of the eye witnesses that record the slaughtering of the Greek population. The Greek Bishop of the town of Smerni was killed by the Turkish army, in the most brudal way.

The Othoman Turks planned this genocide in order to get rid the "minorities"in the land that actually they have occupied from the Assyrians, Armenians, Greeks, and Kurds. Their first target was the Christians, and as a total more than 2.500.000(Greeks, Assyrians, Armenians)have been slaughtered between the years 1914-1923.

Places like Cappodokia, where the Greek Orthodoxy Fathers of the Early Church lived, and Biblical places(The Revelation of St.John and the letters to the Churches in Minor Asia} places that Christianity blossom for thousands of years, and Euxinos Pontos were we had Greek precence for 3000 years, vanished in just few years.

Again Turkey refuses that they commited those crimes. For all those years they just ignore the facts, and by even refering to those facts you can end up in prison!!! Indeed we have Turksh writters in prison because they exposed the dark years of the Othoman Turks...

For the Greek Orthodox Christians, those places remind us all that pain we suffered. My grandmother was one of the survivors in Smerna, and every time she was referring to what happened she was crying.Because for us it includes much more than a place that was occupied my the Othoman Turks.

It has to do with our faith and Christianity, since Christianity expanded from Minor Asia to the rest of the Roman Empire. Places were Saints, lived and Martyred. A visit to Capodocia, Minor Asia, shows the magnitude of destruction. Churches, holy places, monuments are left without any restoration and waiting for time for their total vanishment. The modern Turkish regime, refuses to do anything regarding those monuments. They are only task it is to vanish any Christian monument in Minor Asia that prooves that it was a Christian place. Unfortunately no "free"nation at that time did anything to stop the Turkish Barbarism against unarmed population. U.S.A, Britain, France, Russia, stood from a distance without giving a helping hand, and they just witnessed the genocide in taking place in front of their eyes...what a shame...

The truth HURTS for modern Turkey. It hurts because it reminds them that they are Vampire Nation that killed millions in order to survive. It hurts because it reminds them that they have only stolen the land by force. It hurts because it reminds them that they are thieves and Barbarians, without respect to human life, and most of all human degnity

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Is the Tower of fear and deception really starting to crumble ?

by Homerovah the Almighty in

there has been some dramatic changes going on recently with the jws as everyone knows , i can only speculate this is due to the once well hidden secrets.

that have been hidden so well from the eyes of the faithful followers, the overwhelming information on the inter-net may be the cause of this.. perhaps the power and arrogance that the gb held for so many years is indeed starting to weaken.. i'm actually seeing the faith weakening within my own family members that have been involved with the organization for decades.. they do seem to be down sizing a lot in their operations, wouldn't it be surprisingly ironic if " the truth " was the thing that really was to bring down their structured lies.. well we can only wish, right !

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justhuman

Watchtower's countdown began with the internet, and the information age. Plus there are Witnesses that put all of their eggs into one baskett-Armageddon.

Many didn't plan for the future, and as a result they are facing finnancial problems. I recall what was happening in the 80's. I was 17 in the year 1984...quit school for pioneering, and waited for the end. Most of my friends at my age left. I have seen during the last years prominent long time elders to step down, and they have been substitued, with 30ish guys, most of them having no qualifications.

I believe that the arrogance of the leadership in this cult lead them to have overwelming confidence of their possition. Now with all this changes taking place no one really can tell were they will end up. Young ones are going to college, university, they are planning for their future, and as a result they are more open minded, and critical, from the young ones of the 80's.

What will the future for the WT in 50 years from now I can tell, but for sure it ain't bright. On the net you can find more web pages of ex-jw's than the 2-3 websides that WT has on the net. Plus those who left are leaving with a bitter taste of what has happened to them. Books from former members in many languages are coming up every year, and no matter the effort to keep control over their members WT is loosing the power. My personal expierience for being an ex-jw now Christian Orthodox, shows that they are loosing members. In our Hellenic ex-jw webside (www.oodegr.com) we get emails from JW's asking for help. Plus we have helped lot of people not to get involved with the WT. Even some people they were ready to got baptized, when a friend asked us how could he helped them, not to fall in the trap of the cult. With our help he did opened their eyes.

WT is quilty for false prophesy, their flip-flpo doctrines, and some of them cause the lives of people, like organ transplans.They are psevdo-christian new age cult, and their lack of Biblical knowledge. Their beggisted enemy is their own words. It doesn't take much to show what kind of "truth"did they believe, over their 150 years of brief history. All this facts are against them, and there is nothing to do about it.

My exit from the WT cost me a lot. WT stolen my life, my best years, stolen my father, and stolen my children, because after being disfellowshiped for apostasy, my ex-wife asked me to leave. I could have a better future and life but WT ruined my life in many ways. My dad sacrificed all that he got to the altar of an agry God. So I took an oath that I will fight WT until I die...that is why I'm trying with every way to stop others entering the Tower of Fear.

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I would prefer my children to die than to have them Df'd

by lilyflor in

i was still in the "troof" a couple of years ago when my mom said that to my face, in front of my husband no less.. he was a jw as well, he couldn't believe it.

my reply was "well i will give my life to save my children and if god sees fit to punish me for that - that's his choice".

lily.

justhuman

Witnesses of the Watchtower are brainwashed, controled cult members...how can they believe that a God of love will allow their children to die? What kind of God they believe

Watchtower is a dangerous, mind destructive cult, and even they are following their father who was a man's slaugter from the beggining

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Are active JW's seeing the light?

by boyzone in

i ask this because i had a strange experience this week.

for a brief bit of background knowledge i'm being shunned like most on here, but i see witnesses every day in my place of work and at the school gate, there's no avoiding them, and like many of you, i've found it really hard to get over the hurt and heartache this has caused.. yesterday my mum (an active witness) went into hospital to have a tumor removed (successfully) as i'm the only daughter nearby to help, the other witnesses were asking the elders what they were supposed to do if they wanted to visit my mum and i was at her bedside, should they talk to me or turn round and go out again.. one elder said to do that would be utterly ridiculous, of course i should be spoken to.

he was very annoyed even at the suggestion.

justhuman

The elder is an 'apostate" ...for sure...I have been disfellowshiped for 2 years and even my JW close relatives wan't speak to me...

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Anyone knows what's new at the summer conventions?

by Roddy in

it seems there is something new at the summer conventions from new book and pamphlet releases to changes in "new light".. i understand that i might be jumping the gun but did anyone get any advance information?.

just curious.

lol!.

justhuman

I've been thinking regarding the book "Reasoning of the Scriptures". It is complete out dated. Generation, 1914, sheep and goats, heavenly door, just to mention a few. How can they still use it? It has so much "old light", end for sure is "confusing"...if there is one book that they need to reprint with the "new undestandings" that is still in use is "Reasoning".

WT has nothing to give to their followers. Everything is fading in that cult. Hope for the "new system", the generation that supposed to see the end, heavenly door that close and opens, the hope that the old ones will see the "new world". I'm 40 years old now, and left JW's before 8 years. I see no meaning of the existence of the WT. Perhaps their only reason it is to steal lifes and money.

It is just a monotonous song that they keep repeating it, over and over again. The end is near...

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Hi I'm new here - a bit about me

by Fishbulb in

well where do i start?

i am 34, male and gay.

when i was about 15 i was exposed to the witnesses teachings.

justhuman

This is the most dangerous forum that you can find in the internet regarding JW's. It is full with filthy, louzy, immoral, devil oriented, evil apostates that left the truth and they are lost in to sea of mankinds knowledge...you better leave from here and go back to the "clean"organization of JW's the "only"true religion on plannet earth...if you stay here you will be more confused by the ex-jw's that most of them turned back to idolatry and false religion, like my self...

Welcome to the forum man!!!

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Those who have two digit IQs still have two digit IQs

by berylblue in

jws or not.

justhuman

Good point WTwizard

Most witlesses that have triple digit IQs will end up becoming apostates. The ones with IQs below 85 are more likely to stay in, but even that is no guarantee. Generally, the lower the IQs, the lower the chances that the person is going to leave