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  Jehovah's Witnesses: shame and domination

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i want to suggest something that i've been ruminating on for a while now.

  that involves the possibility that when jehovah's witnesses look for "sheep-like ones" what they're actually looking for is this: those who will allow themselves to be dominated (get rid of things that god "hates," accept the movement's beliefs without protest, not check into the movement's history) and those who are willing to be shamed (letting jehovah's witnesses into their homes when doing so is looked down upon in secular society, talking with them on the street when everyone else avoids them).. i say this because from what i observed at the kingdom halls i attended in the course of gathering data for my research i saw:.

  -frequent shaming: jehovah's witnesses must do more to be acceptable to god, they are "good for nothing slaves," they are spared through armageddon by jehovah's "undeserved kindness," etc.

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  nmthinker

  I agree the life of a J-Dub is full of shame. You can never do enough or be pure enough.

  People who ask tough questions or have some self-esteem get filtered out right away.
  
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  Pioneers, Prayers and Pills

  by Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  looking back on my two decades as a jehovah’s witness, i’ve come to realize how the constant theme of endurance is playing a detrimental role on the individual's psyche.. jehovah’s witnesses have become far too good at keeping going.

  they’re experts at surrendering to the demands of the watchtower, living up to what’s expected of them, and getting on with the priorities that those in power have defined and imposed upon them.

  they keep showing up, presenting themselves a dutiful pioneer or ministerial servant.

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  I woke up a year after stopping drinking. I drank so much as a JW I think I was honestly trying to kill myself and disappear.
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  Has Anyone Read Barbara Anderson's New Book?

  by Room 215 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  barbara has written an autographical book detailing her experiences at brooklyn bethel : "barbara anderson uncensored - eyewitness to deceit" have any of you folks read it?.

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  Just bought the Kindle version.
  
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  Struggling to Live a Lie

  by Addison0998 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it’s been very difficult, much more than i first anticipated to live a lie, (be pimo and a regular active member) i still live with my parents but i plan on moving out at the end of the year, so i really need to keep it together.

  but i think people are starting to get suspicious that something is up.

  i’ve stopped commenting, going on service all the time, talking at the door, and occasionally voicing something, such as a question that no one has a good answer for, that makes people think, but ahah, thinking is dangerous and wrong so that is suspicious of course.

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  Just tell people you are depressed, always worked for me. When I was still PIMO I knew I wouldn't last more than a year. So I set a date in my head when I would stop going to meetings. That light at the end of tunnel kept me alive till it was time to cut off the J-dub experience (tm)
  
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  They Offered Their Son Willingly—To Bethelite Brothers

  by betterdaze in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  they offered themselves willingly—in new yorkricky, a construction project manager in hawaii, was invited to serve as a commuter bethelite to assist with the warwick project.

  his wife, kendra, wanted him to accept the invitation.

  however, they had a legitimate concern: the welfare of their 11-year-old son, jacob.

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  I was a "fatherless boy" being raised by a single mom in the 90's. My mom and the elders handed me over to a married 50 year old man who ended up molesting me. It was considered a good thing that I was making friends with the older mature ones. Talk about brainless and the elders couldn't care less.
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  Marc & Cora on YouTube causing unnecessary divisions

  by jambon1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what is it with this pair?

  why do they have to constantly have a bitch about guys like john cedars?

  a very recent video of them shows them calling him a 'village idiot' and making other disparaging claims.

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  His ego is huge...

  To be fair that is problem with most J-dubs, especially men. I am Cedars age and was born into the religion. I have this problem too. You are raised to feel like you're better than everyone else and you have an innate sense of being right when everyone else is wrong. The effects of this can last a lifetime.
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  I need some serious help

  by bulldogg1877 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i grew up a jw kid until the age of twelve.

  since then i have lived a worldly life.

  i have enjoyed alot of my life experiences, but i now feel like i am lost.

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  You would be better off going to AA or a local church. JW's claim to have a spiritual program but they will just rope you into serving them, they will be a drain on you for the rest of your life.
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  Sheep and the Goats - The Light Gets Brighter

  by nmthinker in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  perhaps some of you remember a new understanding of the sheep and the goats in the epic march 2015 wt study edition - specifically the article "loyally supporting christ's brothers".. while this article was studied many months ago, it was instrumental in helping me wake up.

  during my study of the 2015 article i recalled that we had just revised our understanding of the sheep and the goats a few years ago and this caused me to research the real progression of the jw understanding of this parable.

  i put the results of my research in an excel spreadsheet.. .

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  @Fisherman

  
  Fisherman2 days ago

  how the judging of the sheep and the goats pivoted from mankind as a whole to a focus exclusively on JW's.

  The article that you refer to does not say that but something that you have concluded on your own.

  I arrive at this conclusion simply by following the Watchtower reasoning all the way through. According to the new understanding:

  1. "All the nations" = All non-annointed humans
  2. You will be judged as sheep if you support Christs brothers in preaching, construction, and donating
  3. You will be judged as goat by not doing 2.

  You can clearly see that if you are worldly you are a Goat by default. There is no way for you to be a sheep because you don't know who "Christs brothers" are and you cannot go preaching or volunteering at Warwick.

  If you ARE JW then you will be judges as a sheep or a goat based on how much you help the GB (AKA "Christs brothers").

  The goats on the left side are destroyed forever according to Matthew 25:41
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  Aussie jw girl very sick in US funded by wordly people carity

  by sherrie11 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/i-want-to-go-home-13yearold-phelicity-sneesbys-dying-wish-20160130-gmhky4.html.

  this article is sad.

  but what amazes me is her jw family is accepting donations or has to resort to the very worldly people they look forward to being destroyed.

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  SkyGreen10 hours ago

  If the wt society publicised how much they gave the family then everyone would be onto them about boasting. Cant have a double standard. I dont know exact figures because i wasnt told.

  This is crazy logic. As already mentioned in the video they were boasting that they provided assistance, even though Jesus instructs us to give in secret.

  There is no way to tell if they backed up all the talk with actual funds. But if they WERE paying all the funds in secret, then why the need for the gofundme campaign? Something doesn't add up.

  We see how they are willing to boast about the elaborate and beautiful Warwick construction, and can pocket billions from real estate as proof of God's approval, though. That is clear enough.
  
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  LEAKED Talk - Depression Is A Part Of This Life

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  another leak from my collection of talks that i was ordered not to share.

  an elder gave me a ton of talks from bethel and special assembleys to put on his ipod.

  of course i copied them to my computer and will share them for all of us.. depression is a part of this life by brother nathan fuel.. this talk also touches on the subject of family members being disfellowshipped, feel depressed?

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  nmthinker

  He might as well be reading directly off a transcript. For a talk about coping with depression he is sorely lacking a compassionate voice. And the victim blaming is pathetic.