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  How do Jehovah's Witnesses Explain This Fossil Record?

  by sabastious in

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  according to jws, evolution is false.

  so how do they explain these human-like fossils?.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/human_evolution.

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  What creationists don't understand about evolution is that it makes no attempts at explaining why the universe is here or how. So the automatic response is to deny it because they feel it threatens their god belief.

  Evolution is a fact...as much a fact as the theory of gravity, the earth is round, and we revolve around the sun. Read some books on it, do the research, and then try to deny it. Really though...how can anyone watch the laryngeal nerve video posted earlier and consider that intelligent design?

  Believe in your god if you must, but accept one thing: evolution is a fact. At the very, very least...understand that we actually did evolve but go ahead and peg the whole process to your god. Then you are at least half way to reasonable.
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  I Should Have Known Better Simply From.....

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  When I was told that god invented rainbows only after the flood. Like the laws of light refraction didn't exist before that?

  Or I wasn't allowed to watch Happy Days because those teens had boyfriends and girlfriends.
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  Joliette's mom says: 'Can you imagine how good sex is gonna feel in the new system?' WTF?

  by Joliette in

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  what in the world...i was like, mom, sex feels pretty damn good now.

  how much better could it get?.

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  Remember this old myth: When the new system arrives we finally will get full use of our brains, as we only use 10% now. I remember JWs would talk about how smart we're going to be and imagine the technology we'll discover. Maybe being smarter would help with the sex? Telepathic sex maybe?
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  How do Jehovah's Witnesses Explain This Fossil Record?

  by sabastious in

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  according to jws, evolution is false.

  so how do they explain these human-like fossils?.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/human_evolution.

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  Lets face it , religions are universities and colleges of fear and human ignorance that is their basic teaching knowledge.

  That pretty much sums it up. Find it ironic that creationists benefit from the advances thanks to science: from transportation, to agriculture, to medicine. But yet when it threatens their ancient beliefs suddenly science and scientists are evil and lying.

  What advantage do scientists gain from their studies on evolution? What evil, self-serving purpose does it supply them? Nothing. On the flip side, does your church ask for money? Ah, now there would be a motivation for continuing to blind their followers with misinformation.
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  How do Jehovah's Witnesses Explain This Fossil Record?

  by sabastious in

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  according to jws, evolution is false.

  so how do they explain these human-like fossils?.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/human_evolution.

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  Yep...the gill thing is true. See under Human Gills...http://truth-saves.com/Embryo_Development.php (this whole website is pretty cool)
  

  There's also an entire chapter on embryology Greatest Show on Earth.

  And thanks for the info BTS. The migration when the Isthmus of Panama formed makes sense.
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  How do Jehovah's Witnesses Explain This Fossil Record?

  by sabastious in

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  according to jws, evolution is false.

  so how do they explain these human-like fossils?.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/human_evolution.

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  @notverylikely...good point. I took that directly from of The Greatest Show on Earth and wonder if the distinction is native to South America.

  Just looked up armadillos in the US and the sole species is called the Nine-Banded Armadillo. Perhaps they were introduced as they say they've been consistently expanding their range in the US over the last century due to a lack of natural predators. Found as far north found as far north as Illinois, Indiana...and get this Southern Ontario!
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  How do Jehovah's Witnesses Explain This Fossil Record?

  by sabastious in

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  according to jws, evolution is false.

  so how do they explain these human-like fossils?.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/human_evolution.

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  Hey Sab, I'm no scientist (being raised a JW took care of that!) but from what I've learned about evolution it is well-established over a variety of sciences. Fossils could be likened to icing on the cake. Here are some of the key evidences for evolution…I'll do my best with terminology but I'm still learning:
  
  - DNA and our molecular clock: since our DNA has been handed down from every evolutionary ancestor our genome carries a lot of evolutionary baggage.. The term "junk DNA" has been coined for things that were functioning DNA but at some point in our history, a mutation disbled the gene – whilst leaving behind its remnants as junk DNA.
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  Humans have structures in their genetic make-up that were once used to produces enzymes to process vitamin C.
  Embryos of all humans start to grow gills early in their development. This is also true for all other mammals, birds, reptiles as we share a common ancestry with fish.
  
  - Biogeography: the geographical distribution of animal species around the planet based on tectonic plates and continental drift. We see things such as lemurs (all 37 species) only exist in Madagascar; no monkeys in Madagascar; all 20 species of armadillo exist only in South America.
  
  Geological succession: the time at which species appear in the geological record perfectly matches up with what we would expect to see if evolution were true.
  
  Vestigiality: evidence in our bodies of things left over from our past. Goose bumps, wisdom teeth, the planters muscle, Jacobson's organ are all examples of this. 10% of people are now born without wisdom teeth. Evolution is happening right now and the day will come when no one has wisdom teeth.
  
  My favourite example for debunking the intelligent design babble is the laryngeal nerve. An incredible example evolution that is consistent across all mammals. Rather than try to explain, you gotta check this video out:
  http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdm5he_richard-dawkins-demonstrates-laryng_tech/
  
  Give The Greatest Show on Earth by Richard Dawkins a read. It does a great job of laying out the clear evidence for evolution across a variety of sciences. Anyone seeking truth should be interested in our real history on this planet. Fascinating stuff.
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  How do Jehovah's Witnesses Explain This Fossil Record?

  by sabastious in

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  according to jws, evolution is false.

  so how do they explain these human-like fossils?.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/human_evolution.

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  Evolution is indeed a fact, but suffers from the large throng of creationist's babble of misinformation. WT's recent Origins of Life is a pathetic argument against evolution which basically resorts to misdirection and quote mining. It should be noted as well that nothing written in Origin of Life is an original thought by the WT...these fake arguments have been thought up by other religious groups such as Answers in Genesis and the Discovery Institute. Find it funny that the WT is just riding on the coat tails of these other creationist groups.

  The ironic thing with the creationist's obsession with the fossil record is that it isn't even the most solid evidence for evolution. The facts for evolution stand solid without a single fossil. Regardless, the supposed 'missing links' is also a major falsehood. Fossils are rare and we're extremely lucky to have any. Every time one is found and it fills a "gap" they just rant that now there are twice as many gaps!

  This is an interesting thread because I find it strange that the WT took up another attack at evolution after the 80's publication 'LIfe How Did It Get Here?'. The evidence is so overwhelming that evolution is fact that it seems so odd that it is still disputed. I suspect with our current public acceptance of evolution we are in another flat-earth stage. Where it will take some time for the tide of reason to squash the creationists attempts at holding on to their ancient belief systems.
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  Video - Jehovah's Witnesses - The Superficial Truth

  by sabastious in

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  my third video:.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfx1s37tyve.

  -sab.

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  Well done, Sab. Agree with troubled mind...your tone is just right. Though I'm sure an elder would say your brazen.
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  Can Science answer moral questions?

  by cyberjesus in

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  oh brother i need to get to work... anyway enjoy.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj9ob4zphww.

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  This is the subject of his latest book - The Moral Landscape. http://www.samharris.org/index.php

  Think it is out now...looking forward to reading it. With over half the planet still living in the Bronze Age, Sam Harris is a welcome voice of reason.