I know what Tammy is trying get across. But gotta say that this 'new light' comparison is just wrong. The WT Org disgustingly dish out 'new light' as deliberate lies to mislead, manipulate and control the JW R&F. Can't agree that relates to science or the scientific community. That would belong in the conspiracy theory threads.
Edit: bit of a simulpost there bohm.
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Science TV Show - AGuest and bohm please jump in
by EntirelyPossible ini started this thread to get a fresh start.
i know, there is another thread, but it was all over the place.
to that end, i would am going to paste a quote of shelby's from the other thread and try to stick to hashing that out.
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Science TV Show - AGuest and bohm please jump in
by EntirelyPossible ini started this thread to get a fresh start.
i know, there is another thread, but it was all over the place.
to that end, i would am going to paste a quote of shelby's from the other thread and try to stick to hashing that out.
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PSac: In His view the evidence for evolution proves there is no God.
This doesn't directly address the OP, but wanted to address PSac's comment about Dawkins above...
I'm not aware of any of record of Dawkins stating "evolution proves there is no God". If you haven't read both The God Delusion and The Greatest Show on Earth, I suggest you do to better understand what Dawkins' view is.
In The Greatest Show on Earth he regularly points out that the evidence for evolution disproves the 10,000-year-old earth/creation story AND/OR Intelligent Design.
Early in The God Delusion he makes a point of defining the concept of God that he is addressing. It is a personal God, a creator of the universe that interferes with the affairs of man, which for most would be the God of the Old Testament. Not a pantheistic god, or Spinoza's and Einstein's god.
I strongly doubt Dawkins' "war" on religion is directed at the PSacs and Tammys of this world. (At least I hope not, I like them.) In his books he rails against the established institutions and organizations of religion that continue to press to have the creation account taught in schools as a scientific alternative to evolution. At the end of Greatest Show on Earth he references a 2008 poll, which revealed 44% of Americans believe that the earth is only 10,000 years old and all life was created as is within that time frame. It is slightly better in the UK just under the 40% mark. Staggering really.
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Science TV Show - AGuest and bohm please jump in
by EntirelyPossible ini started this thread to get a fresh start.
i know, there is another thread, but it was all over the place.
to that end, i would am going to paste a quote of shelby's from the other thread and try to stick to hashing that out.
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sizemik: Science will progress unaffected by the various religious dogma's . . . unfortunately religion cannot afford that same luxury in the face of scientific progress. So who really has the agenda? . . . the one with something to lose, that's who.
That point is worth repeating.
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New Statesman: famous atheists explain why they don't believe in God...what is Hawking saying?
by unshackled inhttp://www.newstatesman.com/religion/2011/07/god-evidence-believe-world.
found this new statesman article linked in a sam harris tweet.
it is a collection of comments on reasons for non-belief from such ones as richard dawkins, daniel dennett, sam harris, jerry coyne and stephen hawking...to name a few.. what caught my eye about the tweet was this comment by harris, his actual tweet:.
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...and thank you Twitch. Your comments and input are very much appreciated.
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New Statesman: famous atheists explain why they don't believe in God...what is Hawking saying?
by unshackled inhttp://www.newstatesman.com/religion/2011/07/god-evidence-believe-world.
found this new statesman article linked in a sam harris tweet.
it is a collection of comments on reasons for non-belief from such ones as richard dawkins, daniel dennett, sam harris, jerry coyne and stephen hawking...to name a few.. what caught my eye about the tweet was this comment by harris, his actual tweet:.
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Hi binadub...I was going to say welcome but you've been on JWN since 2001. Thanks for the links to those theists that were not in the New Statesman article. I'm sure they put out a request to the many well-known public figures on both sides of the argument, and published all the responses they received. But can't know that for sure. On the non-belief side it was disappointing that Christopher Hitchens was not in there. I always find his comments both informative and entertaining.
As for labelling Hawking and Einstein deists...not so sure about that. It depends on the definition used for "god". Here is a Hawking quote I posted earlier...
"If you like, you can call the laws of science 'God', but it wouldn't be a personal God that you could meet, and ask questions."
If I'm not mistaken, deism is belief that the universe is a creation, with a creator. A supreme being that doesn't interfere with the affairs of mankind, or the laws of nature once they were set in motion. From what I've read by Hawking, I don't think he fits that description. But IF you take his 3 sentences from that article, one might get that impression.
Here is a quote from Einstein:
“My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment.”
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New Statesman: famous atheists explain why they don't believe in God...what is Hawking saying?
by unshackled inhttp://www.newstatesman.com/religion/2011/07/god-evidence-believe-world.
found this new statesman article linked in a sam harris tweet.
it is a collection of comments on reasons for non-belief from such ones as richard dawkins, daniel dennett, sam harris, jerry coyne and stephen hawking...to name a few.. what caught my eye about the tweet was this comment by harris, his actual tweet:.
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Tammy...thanks again for your thoughts. Wasn't sure if you were originally directing your "Hawking in your corner" comment to myself. As Nickolas often points out, these are the limitations of text only communication. Reading through all the comments again I see where you were coming from. There was the unfortunate divide of theists on this side, and atheists on that side happening in the discussion.
I should mention that I thought your interpretation of those 3 sentences by Hawking was bang on. With no other context assumed, that is how it reads. But we do know from Hawking's other comments on the subject, that he is an atheist. Hence, which is likely why Harris said he "had no idea what he was talking about". His 3 sentences left room for interpretation on where he stood. Who knows, maybe there is some truth in what bohm wrote...
"i dont think he aimed for zen or didnt think it through.. i think he got tired of writing the same blurb once again with one muscle..."
And I'm certain many atheists do take pride in having famous scientists in their "corner". But also many don't. Same applies to some theists as well. This is fairly typical human behavoir though, otherwise companies wouldn't use celebrities to endorse their products.
Thanks for the cross-country tip. I agree, a road trip with no hard timetable is always more enjoyable. Cheers.
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2 minutes of awesomeness / Beastie Boys
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trailer for fight for your right - revisited.
hilarious...jack black, will ferrell, seth rogen...just watch.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rba5qp9suoy&feature=player_embedded.
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Hi tale...how you been lately? Friday night and the Beastie Boys is a great combo. So X-files for a ringtone...interesting. I'd like to be in board meeting and have that ominous sound go off.
mumma...well hell that's pretty damn cool. I've never seen them live, let alone bumping into Mike D. Jealousville, population: me.
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New Statesman: famous atheists explain why they don't believe in God...what is Hawking saying?
by unshackled inhttp://www.newstatesman.com/religion/2011/07/god-evidence-believe-world.
found this new statesman article linked in a sam harris tweet.
it is a collection of comments on reasons for non-belief from such ones as richard dawkins, daniel dennett, sam harris, jerry coyne and stephen hawking...to name a few.. what caught my eye about the tweet was this comment by harris, his actual tweet:.
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Obviously a poor attempt at infusing some tongue-in-cheek humor...
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Watchtower emergence of the business end
by Marvin Shilmer inwatchtower emergence of the business end .
today i uploaded a new article to my blog addressing the emergence of watchtower as a business.
though watchtower had always been a business concern, something happened in the late 1920s that forced watchtower to project its business beyond the front office and far into the rank-and-file.
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Good one George...rusty screwdriver to the neck. I was thinking along the lines of nailing him with one of his V-16 Cadillacs. Once incapacitated, get into his 2nd V-16 Cadillac and back over him a few times.
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2 minutes of awesomeness / Beastie Boys
by unshackled inanyone seen this?
trailer for fight for your right - revisited.
hilarious...jack black, will ferrell, seth rogen...just watch.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rba5qp9suoy&feature=player_embedded.
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Thought I'd bump this and post the epic full length 30-min. video...a win for humanity...