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  Would the world be a better place without Atheism/Religious-ism?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  my thread here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/197200/5/atheists-do-you-ever-talk-to-god has taken a decidedly new twist.

  one that has made me think it prudent to discuss a related matter.. would the world be a better place if all atheism was gone?

  would it be a better place if all religion were gone?

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  ZeusRocks

  The purpose that animated the first generation of Christians was to spread the Gospel, not to change the social order.

  Why don't you just ignore the christians for a minute. The biblical jesus as either god or the son of god would have known it was immoral for a person to own another person as property. He taught many many things that was different to the social and cultural order of things, yet he didn't say anything about owning another person as property in order to correct wrong thinking in regards to fellow human beings.

  I really don't care how you want to justify it in your own head, but the reality it, there is no justification in not speaking against slavery if you know better, even in your closest circle of followers to help them understand why it is wrong to own another human being.

  It's about doing what is right, not what is comfortable. Even us mere mortals understand that.
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  Would the world be a better place without Atheism/Religious-ism?

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my thread here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/197200/5/atheists-do-you-ever-talk-to-god has taken a decidedly new twist.

  one that has made me think it prudent to discuss a related matter.. would the world be a better place if all atheism was gone?

  would it be a better place if all religion were gone?

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  ZeusRocks

  Neither of those scriptures speak out against owning a slave.
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  Would the world be a better place without Atheism/Religious-ism?

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my thread here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/197200/5/atheists-do-you-ever-talk-to-god has taken a decidedly new twist.

  one that has made me think it prudent to discuss a related matter.. would the world be a better place if all atheism was gone?

  would it be a better place if all religion were gone?

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  ZeusRocks

  Keep telling yourself that. If you know something is wrong, yet still encourage your followers to continue in that behaviour, you are infact immoral. Jesus was supposed to be superior in his wisdom and morality, yet never denounced slavery considering it was so widespread within the jewish community. There is absolutely no excuse for that. If he really came to teach truth, he missed a really big one. He obviously didn't consider it important to let people know that it is inhumane to own another person as property. His knowledge supposedly wasn't confined to what was known by mankind kind at that time, yet he displayed very little if any extra knowledge than what was known and believed by people at that time.

  There is absolutely no justification for remaining silent on slavery if you know it is wrong. And if he was god or the son of god he would have known better. There is no excuse.
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  Are You Keeping Up with the NEW LIGHT?

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

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  the watchtower, april 15th, 2010, page 28:.

  are you keeping up with increased light?.

  jehovah continues to shed light upon his people.

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  ZeusRocks

  On the other side of the country I still have some family members in so I try to keep up with the new light, but they keep flipping the switch.
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  Would the world be a better place without Atheism/Religious-ism?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  my thread here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/197200/5/atheists-do-you-ever-talk-to-god has taken a decidedly new twist.

  one that has made me think it prudent to discuss a related matter.. would the world be a better place if all atheism was gone?

  would it be a better place if all religion were gone?

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  ZeusRocks

  I do see what you're saying PS. Although I'm not talking about slaves of the romans. I'm talking about followers of jesus and the people he preached to. He didn't preach to the romans. The point is though, that even among the jews it wasn't mandatory to own an slave. In the bible, neither Jesus nor any of the apostles would have been going against any law in teaching their followers that it is not right to own another human being, especially a fellow believer.

  The apostles I can understand in a respect as they were raised in that environment where owning slaves was the norm, but Jesus had no such excuse. Depending on someone's belief, he was either god or the son of god and as such would have known that it is wrong to own another person, yet never said a word to even his closest companions. Jesus supposed knowledge wasn't constrained to the times he was in, if he was who people said he was, yet his sense of of what was morally correct wasn't much different to anyone else at the time.
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  Would the world be a better place without Atheism/Religious-ism?

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my thread here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/197200/5/atheists-do-you-ever-talk-to-god has taken a decidedly new twist.

  one that has made me think it prudent to discuss a related matter.. would the world be a better place if all atheism was gone?

  would it be a better place if all religion were gone?

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  ZeusRocks

  I'm PS but that is a very lame excuse. Jews owned slaves, jewish christians owned slaves and never once was it declared immoral. Jesus could have easily told his followers that they no longer should own slaves as it is immoral. None of the apostles ever said that it wasn't right for a christian to own slaves. Not once. There is no excuse to continue to admonish slavery if you feel it is immoral, especially amongst your followers and neither jesus or any anyone else in the new testament did that.
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  Would the world be a better place without Atheism/Religious-ism?

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my thread here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/197200/5/atheists-do-you-ever-talk-to-god has taken a decidedly new twist.

  one that has made me think it prudent to discuss a related matter.. would the world be a better place if all atheism was gone?

  would it be a better place if all religion were gone?

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  Oh yes they do.

  Ephesians 6:5-9 (New International Version)

  Slaves and Masters

  5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free.

  9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

  Colossians 3:22 (New International Version)

  22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

  1 Timothy 6:1-2 (New International Version)

  1 Timothy 6

  1 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered. 2 Those who have believing masters are not to show less respect for them because they are brothers. Instead, they are to serve them even better, because those who benefit from their service are believers, and dear to them. These are the things you are to teach and urge on them.

  1 Peter 2:18-21 (New International Version)

  18 Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19 For it is commendable if a man bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because he is conscious of God. 20 But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. 21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.

  Colossians 4:1 (New International Version)

  Colossians 4

  1 Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven.

  That's just some of them. Never once in the new testament did jesus or any of the apostles say anything against owning another human being.
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  Is evolution really scientific

  by ssn587 in

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  the weekly sales meeting this week, discusses whether or not evolution is really scientific.

  they go to the non reasoning book at page 121 para 4 to page 126 para 2. has anyone critiqued this yet.

  any help would be very much appreciated.

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  ZeusRocks

  My goodness. Do they not realise that all they are doing is embarrasing themselves with this. Obviously they are either intentionally deceiving their followers or they have some very bias and lazy researchers. It doesn't take much to find the answer that evolution is a fact and that theory is aspect is only what the exact mechanism is. If they researched further they would find that things do pop in and out of existence all on their own.

  I'm so glad to be free from all this rubbish.
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  Would the world be a better place without Atheism/Religious-ism?

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my thread here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/197200/5/atheists-do-you-ever-talk-to-god has taken a decidedly new twist.

  one that has made me think it prudent to discuss a related matter.. would the world be a better place if all atheism was gone?

  would it be a better place if all religion were gone?

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  ZeusRocks

  The atheist agenda of the Soviet Union didn't necessarily do any good for the nation and its people in itself.

  For the last time there is no atheist agenda and never has been. Action is the result of belief not non-belief. Whenever a person or government takes action, it is a result of what they DO BELIEVE, not what they don't believe. Honestly, how hard is this to comprehend?

  The greek scriptures aren't so great. They still advocate owning another human being as a slave. Jesus teachings were neither original nor overly beneficial and some down right stupid. And these are scriptures people use to gloss over what is contained in the old testament.
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  Would the world be a better place without Atheism/Religious-ism?

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my thread here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/197200/5/atheists-do-you-ever-talk-to-god has taken a decidedly new twist.

  one that has made me think it prudent to discuss a related matter.. would the world be a better place if all atheism was gone?

  would it be a better place if all religion were gone?

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  ZeusRocks

  The same can be said about a belief in a higher power.

  Honestly, how hard is it to comprehend. Our actions are guided by belief. Non-belief has no action attached to it.

  I agree with CD in that god and religion are completely irrelevant in making the world a better place. A high percentage of the most peaceful countries in the world have the lowest percentage of religious followers.